Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8

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From: Bill Davidsen
Date: Wednesday, August 8, 2007 - 1:31 pm

Jeff Garzik wrote:

This is not 1%, this is a user-visible change in behavior, relative to 
all previous Linux versions. There has been a way for ages to trade 
performance for standards for users or distributions, and standards have 
been chosen. Given that there is now a way to get virtually all of the 
performance without giving up atime completely, why the sudden attempt 
to change to a less satisfactory default?

I could understand a push to quickly get relatime with a few 
enhancements (the functionality if not the exact code) into 
distributions, even as a default, but forcing user or distribution 
changes just to retain the same dehavior doesn't seem reasonable. It 
assumes that vendors and users are so stupid they can't understand why 
benchmark results and more important than standards. People who run 
servers are smart enough to decide if their application will run as 
expected without atime.

People have lived with this compromise for a very long time, and it 
seems that a far more balanced solution will be in the kernel soon.

-- 
bill davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
  CTO TMR Associates, Inc
  Doing interesting things with small computers since 1979

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[PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Peter Zijlstra, (Fri Aug 3, 5:37 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Aug 3, 3:21 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Fri Aug 3, 11:32 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 12:07 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 3:33 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Aug 4, 9:15 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Aug 4, 9:17 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 9:37 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andrew Morton, (Sat Aug 4, 9:41 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andrew Morton, (Sat Aug 4, 9:51 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 9:56 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Diego Calleja, (Sat Aug 4, 10:02 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 10:17 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Nikita Danilov, (Sat Aug 4, 10:26 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Diego Calleja, (Sat Aug 4, 10:38 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Aug 4, 10:39 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Diego Calleja, (Sat Aug 4, 10:51 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jeff Garzik, (Sat Aug 4, 11:08 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Florian Weimer, (Sat Aug 4, 12:16 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 12:21 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Aug 4, 12:47 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Aug 4, 12:49 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 1:00 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 1:11 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Arjan van de Ven, (Sat Aug 4, 1:13 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Arjan van de Ven, (Sat Aug 4, 1:13 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jeff Garzik, (Sat Aug 4, 1:28 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 1:28 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Arjan van de Ven, (Sat Aug 4, 1:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 2:03 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Theodore Tso, (Sat Aug 4, 2:48 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ilpo Järvinen, (Sat Aug 4, 3:39 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Claudio Martins, (Sat Aug 4, 4:51 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andi Kleen, (Sat Aug 4, 5:26 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andi Kleen, (Sat Aug 4, 5:28 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andrew Morton, (Sat Aug 4, 11:00 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:13 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:18 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:21 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:28 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andrew Morton, (Sun Aug 5, 12:29 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:37 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:39 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Florian Weimer, (Sun Aug 5, 12:57 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Aug 5, 1:53 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Aug 5, 2:04 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jakob Oestergaard, (Sun Aug 5, 3:20 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jakob Oestergaard, (Sun Aug 5, 3:29 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Aug 5, 3:42 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jakob Oestergaard, (Sun Aug 5, 3:58 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 5:46 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 5:54 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 5:56 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 5:58 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Diego Calleja, (Sun Aug 5, 6:22 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Aug 5, 6:29 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jakob Oestergaard, (Sun Aug 5, 6:46 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Theodore Tso, (Sun Aug 5, 7:46 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Theodore Tso, (Sun Aug 5, 8:00 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Linus Torvalds, (Sun Aug 5, 9:45 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 10:55 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Aug 5, 10:59 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 5, 11:01 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 5, 11:02 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 5, 11:08 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 11:08 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 11:09 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Dave Jones, (Sun Aug 5, 11:44 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:09 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Alan Cox, (Sun Aug 5, 12:11 pm)
[patch] implement smarter atime updates support, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:22 pm)
[patch] implement smarter atime updates support, v2, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:28 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Alan Cox, (Sun Aug 5, 12:29 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:32 pm)
Re: [patch] implement smarter atime updates support, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 5, 12:53 pm)
Re: [patch] implement smarter atime updates support, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 5, 1:22 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andrew Morton, (Sun Aug 5, 1:33 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Christoph Hellwig, (Sun Aug 5, 1:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Christoph Hellwig, (Sun Aug 5, 1:36 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Christoph Hellwig, (Sun Aug 5, 1:41 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Christoph Hellwig, (Sun Aug 5, 1:43 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Theodore Tso, (Sun Aug 5, 3:46 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, David Chinner, (Sun Aug 5, 4:43 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, David Chinner, (Sun Aug 5, 5:24 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 11:39 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 11:52 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 11:57 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 11:58 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andi Kleen, (Mon Aug 6, 3:42 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Willy Tarreau, (Mon Aug 6, 6:12 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Chris Mason, (Mon Aug 6, 6:47 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Dave Jones, (Mon Aug 6, 8:59 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Mon Aug 6, 9:16 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Chuck Ebbert, (Mon Aug 6, 11:03 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jeff Garzik, (Mon Aug 6, 11:53 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Alan Cox, (Mon Aug 6, 12:37 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Chuck Ebbert, (Mon Aug 6, 12:46 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Miklos Szeredi, (Mon Aug 6, 1:26 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Aug 7, 12:05 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Tue Aug 7, 11:55 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Tue Aug 7, 12:09 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Alan Cox, (Tue Aug 7, 12:35 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Tue Aug 7, 2:20 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Karel Zak, (Wed Aug 8, 3:43 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, richard kennedy, (Wed Aug 8, 5:25 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andi Kleen, (Wed Aug 8, 6:54 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Wed Aug 8, 10:44 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Wed Aug 8, 11:22 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jeff Garzik, (Wed Aug 8, 12:39 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Wed Aug 8, 1:31 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Martin J. Bligh, (Wed Aug 8, 2:10 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andrew Morton, (Wed Aug 8, 2:21 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Martin Bligh, (Wed Aug 8, 5:54 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Greg Trounson, (Wed Aug 8, 5:57 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andi Kleen, (Wed Aug 8, 7:33 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Lionel Elie Mamane, (Wed Aug 8, 11:25 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Chuck Ebbert, (Thu Aug 9, 8:02 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Diego Calleja, (Thu Aug 9, 9:22 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Thu Aug 9, 5:21 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Thu Aug 9, 9:04 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Thu Aug 9, 9:17 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Fri Aug 10, 10:19 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Valerie Henson, (Sat Aug 11, 4:14 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Helge Hafting, (Tue Aug 14, 2:57 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Helge Hafting, (Thu Aug 16, 3:18 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Dave Jones, (Thu Aug 16, 5:45 pm)