Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8

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From: Bill Davidsen
Date: Wednesday, August 8, 2007 - 11:22 am

Ingo Molnar wrote:

Being standards compliant is not an argument it's a design goal, a 
requirement. Standards compliance is like pregant, you are or you're 
not. And to deliberately ignore standards for speed is saying "it's too 
hard to do it right, I'll do it wrong and it will be faster." The answer 
is to do it smarter, with solutions like relatime (which can be enhanced 
as Linus noted) which provide performance benefits without ignoring 
standards, or use of a filesystem which does a better job. But when it 
goes in the kernel the choice of having per-filesystem behavior either 
vanishes or becomes an exercise in complex and as-yet unwritten mount 
options.

There are certainly ways to improve ext3, not journaling atime updates 
would certainly be one, less frequent updates of dirty inodes, whatever. 
But if a user wants to give up standards compliance it should be a 
deliberate choice, not something which the average user will not 
understand or learn to do.

-- 
Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
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[PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Peter Zijlstra, (Fri Aug 3, 5:37 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Aug 3, 3:21 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Fri Aug 3, 11:32 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 12:07 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 3:33 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Aug 4, 9:15 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Aug 4, 9:17 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 9:37 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andrew Morton, (Sat Aug 4, 9:41 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andrew Morton, (Sat Aug 4, 9:51 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 9:56 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Diego Calleja, (Sat Aug 4, 10:02 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 10:17 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Nikita Danilov, (Sat Aug 4, 10:26 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Diego Calleja, (Sat Aug 4, 10:38 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Aug 4, 10:39 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Diego Calleja, (Sat Aug 4, 10:51 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jeff Garzik, (Sat Aug 4, 11:08 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Florian Weimer, (Sat Aug 4, 12:16 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 12:21 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Aug 4, 12:47 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Aug 4, 12:49 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 1:00 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 1:11 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Arjan van de Ven, (Sat Aug 4, 1:13 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Arjan van de Ven, (Sat Aug 4, 1:13 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jeff Garzik, (Sat Aug 4, 1:28 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 1:28 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Arjan van de Ven, (Sat Aug 4, 1:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Aug 4, 2:03 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Theodore Tso, (Sat Aug 4, 2:48 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ilpo Järvinen, (Sat Aug 4, 3:39 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Claudio Martins, (Sat Aug 4, 4:51 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andi Kleen, (Sat Aug 4, 5:26 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andi Kleen, (Sat Aug 4, 5:28 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andrew Morton, (Sat Aug 4, 11:00 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:13 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:18 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:21 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:28 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andrew Morton, (Sun Aug 5, 12:29 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:37 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:39 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Florian Weimer, (Sun Aug 5, 12:57 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Aug 5, 1:53 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Aug 5, 2:04 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jakob Oestergaard, (Sun Aug 5, 3:20 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jakob Oestergaard, (Sun Aug 5, 3:29 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Aug 5, 3:42 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jakob Oestergaard, (Sun Aug 5, 3:58 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 5:46 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 5:54 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 5:56 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 5:58 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Diego Calleja, (Sun Aug 5, 6:22 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Aug 5, 6:29 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jakob Oestergaard, (Sun Aug 5, 6:46 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Theodore Tso, (Sun Aug 5, 7:46 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Theodore Tso, (Sun Aug 5, 8:00 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Linus Torvalds, (Sun Aug 5, 9:45 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 10:55 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Aug 5, 10:59 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 5, 11:01 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 5, 11:02 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 5, 11:08 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 11:08 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 11:09 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Dave Jones, (Sun Aug 5, 11:44 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:09 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Alan Cox, (Sun Aug 5, 12:11 pm)
[patch] implement smarter atime updates support, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:22 pm)
[patch] implement smarter atime updates support, v2, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:28 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Alan Cox, (Sun Aug 5, 12:29 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 12:32 pm)
Re: [patch] implement smarter atime updates support, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 5, 12:53 pm)
Re: [patch] implement smarter atime updates support, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 5, 1:22 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andrew Morton, (Sun Aug 5, 1:33 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Christoph Hellwig, (Sun Aug 5, 1:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Christoph Hellwig, (Sun Aug 5, 1:36 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Christoph Hellwig, (Sun Aug 5, 1:41 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Christoph Hellwig, (Sun Aug 5, 1:43 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Theodore Tso, (Sun Aug 5, 3:46 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, David Chinner, (Sun Aug 5, 4:43 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, David Chinner, (Sun Aug 5, 5:24 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 11:39 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 11:52 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 11:57 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Aug 5, 11:58 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andi Kleen, (Mon Aug 6, 3:42 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Willy Tarreau, (Mon Aug 6, 6:12 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Chris Mason, (Mon Aug 6, 6:47 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Dave Jones, (Mon Aug 6, 8:59 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Mon Aug 6, 9:16 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Chuck Ebbert, (Mon Aug 6, 11:03 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jeff Garzik, (Mon Aug 6, 11:53 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Alan Cox, (Mon Aug 6, 12:37 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Chuck Ebbert, (Mon Aug 6, 12:46 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Miklos Szeredi, (Mon Aug 6, 1:26 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Aug 7, 12:05 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Tue Aug 7, 11:55 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Tue Aug 7, 12:09 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Alan Cox, (Tue Aug 7, 12:35 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Tue Aug 7, 2:20 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Karel Zak, (Wed Aug 8, 3:43 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, richard kennedy, (Wed Aug 8, 5:25 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andi Kleen, (Wed Aug 8, 6:54 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Wed Aug 8, 10:44 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Wed Aug 8, 11:22 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Jeff Garzik, (Wed Aug 8, 12:39 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Wed Aug 8, 1:31 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Martin J. Bligh, (Wed Aug 8, 2:10 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andrew Morton, (Wed Aug 8, 2:21 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Martin Bligh, (Wed Aug 8, 5:54 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Greg Trounson, (Wed Aug 8, 5:57 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Andi Kleen, (Wed Aug 8, 7:33 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Lionel Elie Mamane, (Wed Aug 8, 11:25 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Chuck Ebbert, (Thu Aug 9, 8:02 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Diego Calleja, (Thu Aug 9, 9:22 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Thu Aug 9, 5:21 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Thu Aug 9, 9:04 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Bill Davidsen, (Thu Aug 9, 9:17 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Fri Aug 10, 10:19 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Valerie Henson, (Sat Aug 11, 4:14 pm)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Helge Hafting, (Tue Aug 14, 2:57 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Helge Hafting, (Thu Aug 16, 3:18 am)
Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8, Dave Jones, (Thu Aug 16, 5:45 pm)