Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression

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To: Jakob Oestergaard <jakob@...>
Cc: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@...>, Frank van Maarseveen <frankvm@...>, Hua Zhong <hzhong@...>, 'Linux Kernel Mailing List' <linux-kernel@...>, <akpm@...>
Date: Friday, August 31, 2007 - 12:43 pm

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007, Jakob Oestergaard wrote:

Well, it's not a "fix" if it breaks other setups. 

It's especially not a fix since the whole requirement that all the flags 
be exactly the same is totally brain-dead in the first place. We *have* 
that kind of mount already, and it has nothing to do with NFS: it's called 
a "bind" mount.

So if you want an identical mount, with cache coherency and tying the two 
mount-points together (requiring that they have the same mount flags), 
then that has absolutely *nothing* to do with NFS. The VFS layer does that 
for you.


No, the fix was simply wrong.  It was done the wrong way, and it broke 
things it shouldn't have broken.

Let's put it this way: if I create a patch that stops the system from 
booting, I sure as hell fix a potential security hole, don't I?

Does that make my patch a "fix"?

No it does not.


I disagree. Either that thing gets fixed before 2.6.23, or the commit that 
introduced the broken behaviour gets reverted.

We've had this policy of "regressions are fixed" for a long time, and 
we're not suddenly changing it.

This is *not* a security hole. In order to make it a security hole, you 
need to be root in the first place. So what you call a security hole is 
really no different from root installing a bad SUID binary. It's simply 
not the kernels place to then say "SUID binaries will not work, because 
it's a potential security hole".

See?

So stop calling this a security hole.  It's certainly a misfeature, but:

 - it's a misfeature that people are used to, and has been around forever.

 - there are bound to be ways to fix it that don't break existing users.

 - the requirement that all flags be the same for a mount to the same NFS 
   directory is *particularly* stupid, since there are better ways to do 
   that than go through NFS!

so I really don't see why people excuse the new behaviour.

			Linus
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recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Thu Aug 30, 5:07 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Frank van Maarseveen, (Fri Aug 31, 4:14 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Ian Kent, (Fri Aug 31, 5:05 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Thu Aug 30, 6:37 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Aug 30, 11:49 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 12:21 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Bill Davidsen, (Sat Sep 1, 8:58 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, David Howells, (Tue Sep 4, 3:54 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Ian Kent, (Wed Sep 5, 8:44 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Wed Sep 5, 12:26 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, David Howells, (Wed Sep 5, 11:37 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Wed Sep 5, 11:50 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Ian Kent, (Thu Sep 6, 1:23 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Bill Davidsen, (Wed Sep 5, 8:35 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, David Howells, (Wed Sep 5, 11:34 am)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Fri Aug 31, 2:47 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 3:13 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Fri Aug 31, 3:35 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Aug 31, 1:01 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, David Howells, (Tue Sep 4, 4:35 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Sep 4, 5:04 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, David Howells, (Tue Sep 4, 4:02 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 3:03 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 12:44 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Aug 31, 12:59 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Ian Kent, (Fri Aug 31, 1:38 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Martin Knoblauch, (Fri Aug 31, 4:54 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 1:04 am)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Fri Aug 31, 1:24 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Aug 31, 1:16 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Jakob Oestergaard, (Fri Aug 31, 3:40 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Frank van Maarseveen, (Fri Aug 31, 4:28 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Aug 31, 4:07 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 8:11 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, David Howells, (Tue Sep 4, 3:51 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Frank van Maarseveen, (Fri Aug 31, 9:12 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 9:50 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Frank van Maarseveen, (Fri Aug 31, 10:42 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Jakob Oestergaard, (Fri Aug 31, 4:51 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Aug 31, 12:43 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Jakob Oestergaard, (Mon Sep 3, 9:20 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Martin Knoblauch, (Mon Sep 3, 9:43 am)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Thu Aug 30, 11:57 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Andrew Morton, (Thu Aug 30, 9:24 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 12:33 am)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Thu Aug 30, 6:47 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Thu Aug 30, 7:22 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Thu Aug 30, 7:30 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Thu Aug 30, 7:37 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Thu Aug 30, 7:44 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 12:31 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Matthias Schniedermeyer, (Fri Aug 31, 3:50 am)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Ian Kent, (Fri Aug 31, 1:09 am)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Aug 31, 12:38 am)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 12:57 am)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Fri Aug 31, 12:47 am)