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To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...>
Cc: Jakob Oestergaard <jakob@...>, Frank van Maarseveen <frankvm@...>, Hua Zhong <hzhong@...>, 'Linux Kernel Mailing List' <linux-kernel@...>, <akpm@...>
Date: Friday, August 31, 2007 - 8:11 am

On Fri, 2007-08-31 at 01:07 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:


That would be a major change in existing semantics. The default has been
"sharecache" ever since Al Viro introduced the "sget()" function some 6
or 7 years ago. The problem was that we never advertised the fact that
the kernel was overriding your mount options, and so sysadmins were
(rightly IMO) complaining that they should _know_ when the client does
this.

The list of known problems with a "nosharecache" default is nasty too:
        
        - file and directory attribute and data caching breaks.
        Applications will see stale data in cases where they otherwise
        would not expect it.
        
        - the existing dcache and icache issues when a file is renamed
        or deleted on the server are now extended to also include the
        case where the rename or deletion occurs on an alias in another
        directory on the client itself. In particular, sillyrename will
        break.
        
        - file locking breaks (the server knows that the client holds
        locks on one file, whereas the client thinks it holds locks on
        several).
        
        - the NFSv4 delegation model breaks: the client will be using
        OPEN when it could use cached opens. More importantly, when
        performing an operation that requires it to return the
        delegation on the aliased file, it won't know until the server
        sends it a callback.

...and of course, the amount of unnecessary traffic to the server
increases. I'm not aware of any sane way of dealing with those issues,
and I doubt Solaris has a solution for them either.

Trond

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recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Thu Aug 30, 5:07 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Frank van Maarseveen, (Fri Aug 31, 4:14 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Ian Kent, (Fri Aug 31, 5:05 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Thu Aug 30, 6:37 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Aug 30, 11:49 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 12:21 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Bill Davidsen, (Sat Sep 1, 8:58 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, David Howells, (Tue Sep 4, 3:54 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Ian Kent, (Wed Sep 5, 8:44 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Wed Sep 5, 12:26 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, David Howells, (Wed Sep 5, 11:37 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Wed Sep 5, 11:50 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Ian Kent, (Thu Sep 6, 1:23 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Bill Davidsen, (Wed Sep 5, 8:35 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, David Howells, (Wed Sep 5, 11:34 am)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Fri Aug 31, 2:47 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 3:13 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Fri Aug 31, 3:35 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Aug 31, 1:01 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, David Howells, (Tue Sep 4, 4:35 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Sep 4, 5:04 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, David Howells, (Tue Sep 4, 4:02 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 3:03 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 12:44 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Aug 31, 12:59 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Ian Kent, (Fri Aug 31, 1:38 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Martin Knoblauch, (Fri Aug 31, 4:54 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 1:04 am)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Fri Aug 31, 1:24 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Aug 31, 1:16 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Jakob Oestergaard, (Fri Aug 31, 3:40 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Frank van Maarseveen, (Fri Aug 31, 4:28 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Aug 31, 4:07 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 8:11 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, David Howells, (Tue Sep 4, 3:51 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Frank van Maarseveen, (Fri Aug 31, 9:12 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 9:50 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Frank van Maarseveen, (Fri Aug 31, 10:42 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Jakob Oestergaard, (Fri Aug 31, 4:51 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Aug 31, 12:43 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Jakob Oestergaard, (Mon Sep 3, 9:20 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Martin Knoblauch, (Mon Sep 3, 9:43 am)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Thu Aug 30, 11:57 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Andrew Morton, (Thu Aug 30, 9:24 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 12:33 am)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Thu Aug 30, 6:47 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Thu Aug 30, 7:22 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Thu Aug 30, 7:30 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Thu Aug 30, 7:37 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Thu Aug 30, 7:44 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 12:31 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Matthias Schniedermeyer, (Fri Aug 31, 3:50 am)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Ian Kent, (Fri Aug 31, 1:09 am)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Aug 31, 12:38 am)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 12:57 am)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Fri Aug 31, 12:47 am)
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