Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression

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From: Ian Kent
Date: Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 10:38 pm

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007, Linus Torvalds wrote:

This all came about due to complains about not being able to mount the 
same server file system with different options, most commonly ro vs. rw 
which I think was due to the shared super block changes some time ago. 
And, to some extent, I have to plead guilty for not complaining enough 
about this default in the beginning, which is basically unacceptable for 
sure.

We have seen breakage in Fedora with the introduction of the patches and 
this is typical of it. It also breaks amd and admins have no way of 
altering this that I'm aware of (help us here Ion).

I understand Tronds concerns but the fact remains that other Unixs allow 
this behaviour but don't assert cache coherancy and many sysadmin don't 
realize this. So the broken behavior is expected to work and we can't 
simply stop allowing it unless we want to attend a public hanging with us 
as the paticipants.

There is no question that the new behavior is worse and this change is 
unacceptable as a solution to the original problem.

I really think that reversing the default, as has been suggested, 
documenting the risk in the mount.nfs man page and perhaps issuing a 
warning from the kernel is a better way to handle this. At least we will 
be doing more to raise public awareness of the issue than others.

Ian
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recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Thu Aug 30, 2:07 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Thu Aug 30, 3:37 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Thu Aug 30, 3:47 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Thu Aug 30, 4:22 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Thu Aug 30, 4:30 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Thu Aug 30, 4:37 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Thu Aug 30, 4:44 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Andrew Morton, (Thu Aug 30, 6:24 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Aug 30, 8:49 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Thu Aug 30, 8:57 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Thu Aug 30, 9:31 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Thu Aug 30, 9:33 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Aug 30, 9:38 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Thu Aug 30, 9:44 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Thu Aug 30, 9:47 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Thu Aug 30, 9:57 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Aug 30, 9:59 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Thu Aug 30, 10:04 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Ian Kent, (Thu Aug 30, 10:09 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Aug 30, 10:16 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Thu Aug 30, 10:24 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Ian Kent, (Thu Aug 30, 10:38 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Jakob Oestergaard, (Fri Aug 31, 12:40 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Matthias Schniedermeyer, (Fri Aug 31, 12:50 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Aug 31, 1:07 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Frank van Maarseveen, (Fri Aug 31, 1:14 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Frank van Maarseveen, (Fri Aug 31, 1:28 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Jakob Oestergaard, (Fri Aug 31, 1:51 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Martin Knoblauch, (Fri Aug 31, 1:54 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Ian Kent, (Fri Aug 31, 2:05 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 5:11 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Frank van Maarseveen, (Fri Aug 31, 6:12 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 6:50 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Frank van Maarseveen, (Fri Aug 31, 7:42 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 9:21 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Aug 31, 9:43 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Aug 31, 10:01 am)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Fri Aug 31, 11:47 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 12:03 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Aug 31, 12:13 pm)
RE: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Hua Zhong, (Fri Aug 31, 12:35 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Bill Davidsen, (Sat Sep 1, 5:58 pm)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Jakob Oestergaard, (Mon Sep 3, 6:20 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Martin Knoblauch, (Mon Sep 3, 6:43 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, David Howells, (Tue Sep 4, 12:51 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, David Howells, (Tue Sep 4, 12:54 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, David Howells, (Tue Sep 4, 1:02 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, David Howells, (Tue Sep 4, 1:35 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Sep 4, 2:04 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Bill Davidsen, (Wed Sep 5, 5:35 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Ian Kent, (Wed Sep 5, 5:44 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, David Howells, (Wed Sep 5, 8:34 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, David Howells, (Wed Sep 5, 8:37 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Wed Sep 5, 8:50 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Trond Myklebust, (Wed Sep 5, 9:26 am)
Re: recent nfs change causes autofs regression, Ian Kent, (Wed Sep 5, 10:23 pm)