Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems

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From: Marc Perkel
Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 10:51 am

--- Michael Tharp <gxti@partiallystapled.com> wrote:


In a real world situation I would think that users
probing for invisible files is more secure that users
knowing the names of files that they have no access
to. 


You're still thinking inside the box. Let's take the
tmp directory for example. /tmp wpuld probably g away
in favor of persomal /tmp directories. As we all know,
/tmp is the source of a lot of vulnerabilities.

One might put a name translation mask on the /tmp name
in the file name translation system. For example:

/tmp -> my /tmp

Thus files written to /tmp would become /mperkel/tmp
and users wouldn't be able to see other users /tmp
files or have any name conflicts.

Let me explain about the concept of thinking outside
the box. If you run into a problem you figure out a
new solution. It's about finding ways to make things
work rather than finding ways to make things not work.

So - we are not only talking about a name permission
system but a file name translation system. Thus a
user's view of the file system might not be the same
for all users. In fact, let's say that mperkel is a
Windows user and is just attacking to Linus as a file
system. Because mperkel is in the windows group the
file system appears as h:\home\mperkel on a native
Linux level and mounts are drive letters. It would use
a Windows name translation mask program that would be
part of the permission/naming system.




Marc Perkel
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Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Tue Aug 14, 3:45 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Michael Tharp, (Wed Aug 15, 6:02 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Lennart Sorensen, (Wed Aug 15, 6:30 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 6:53 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Michael Tharp, (Wed Aug 15, 8:14 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 9:02 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 9:36 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Wed Aug 15, 9:57 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 9:58 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 10:02 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 10:09 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 10:17 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 10:19 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 10:22 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 10:30 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Michael Tharp, (Wed Aug 15, 10:30 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 10:34 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Phillip Susi, (Wed Aug 15, 10:34 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 10:37 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 10:51 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 10:53 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 10:54 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 10:59 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 11:05 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 11:14 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Craig Ruff, (Wed Aug 15, 11:22 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Lennart Sorensen, (Wed Aug 15, 12:20 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Lennart Sorensen, (Wed Aug 15, 12:26 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Yakov Lerner, (Wed Aug 15, 1:02 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 1:11 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 1:20 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 1:35 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Phillip Susi, (Wed Aug 15, 1:38 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Phillip Susi, (Wed Aug 15, 1:43 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 1:44 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 1:50 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Lennart Sorensen, (Wed Aug 15, 2:04 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 2:17 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Wed Aug 15, 2:20 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Phillip Susi, (Wed Aug 15, 3:14 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 3:40 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Wed Aug 15, 3:48 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Wed Aug 15, 8:42 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Aug 15, 9:44 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Helge Hafting, (Thu Aug 16, 4:27 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Helge Hafting, (Thu Aug 16, 4:42 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, linux-os (Dick Johnson), (Thu Aug 16, 5:09 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Phillip Susi, (Thu Aug 16, 8:09 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Thu Aug 16, 8:29 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Phillip Susi, (Thu Aug 16, 10:28 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Thu Aug 16, 10:31 am)
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Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Thu Aug 16, 4:17 pm)
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Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Thu Aug 16, 9:52 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Phillip Susi, (Fri Aug 17, 8:19 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Fri Aug 17, 8:39 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Phillip Susi, (Fri Aug 17, 12:01 pm)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Kyle Moffett, (Fri Aug 17, 10:48 pm)
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Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Brennan Ashton, (Mon Aug 20, 12:47 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Marc Perkel, (Mon Aug 20, 4:18 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, linux-os (Dick Johnson), (Mon Aug 20, 6:32 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Phillip Susi, (Mon Aug 20, 7:24 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Phillip Susi, (Mon Aug 20, 7:29 am)
Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Lennart Sorensen, (Mon Aug 20, 8:13 am)
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Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems, Helge Hafting, (Mon Aug 20, 8:26 am)
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