Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1

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To: Adrian Bunk <bunk@...>
Cc: Kyle Rose <krose@...>, <linux-kernel@...>
Date: Thursday, July 26, 2007 - 7:38 pm

Adrian Bunk wrote:
Yes, you've grasped the reason for leaving the old driver in, so people 
can use their computers. Because when there is a new driver for 
previously unsupported hardware people will be glad to put time into 
debugging it to make the hardware useful. But when you take out a 
working driver because you (ie. the responsible developer) have a new 
idea which interests you, users don't want to use it because they have 
something which works, so you take out the working driver to make work 
for the users and create what you call a "better new driver" below.

The old driver wasn't requiring any resources to maintain, the old 
hardware wasn't changing, there was no particular benefit to users in 
breaking their configuration. This disregard for the users just gives 
Linux critics an arguing point, "the next new kernel may withdraw 
support for your hardware." Isn't that why 2.6.16 is still being 
maintained? Nobody (sane) expects new drivers to be perfect, they just 
don't expect the working drivers to be disabled.

"Better" is a very subjective thing, you see elegance of design perhaps, 
I see works or not, and when I have to use statistical methods to see 
latency or CPU overhead benefits, I frankly don't care.

Removing a working driver without a fully functional replacement forces 
people to stop upgrading their kernel, or start maintaining old drivers 
out of line. Problems of the "just occasionally goes away" type can take 
months to debug, the load can't be duplicated in most cases, and there's 
no log or oops data to help.


Where does sky2 come in? Does this mean the the recent suggestion to 
"just change to skge and stop complaining" is also wrong?

-- 
Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
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sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Kyle Rose, (Thu Jul 26, 11:16 am)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Bill Davidsen, (Thu Jul 26, 7:52 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Kyle Rose, (Thu Jul 26, 9:13 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Stephen Hemminger, (Thu Jul 26, 3:17 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Adrian Bunk, (Thu Jul 26, 12:57 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Rob Sims, (Sun Jul 29, 11:01 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Stephen Hemminger, (Wed Sep 5, 5:22 am)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Torsten Kaiser, (Wed Sep 12, 12:46 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, James Corey, (Wed Sep 5, 3:42 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Bill Davidsen, (Sat Sep 8, 1:44 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Sep 8, 3:11 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Bill Davidsen, (Mon Sep 10, 10:32 am)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 10, 11:39 am)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Kyle Moffett, (Tue Sep 11, 12:23 am)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Chris Stromsoe, (Sun Sep 9, 8:54 am)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Stephen Hemminger, (Tue Nov 6, 6:23 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Chris Stromsoe, (Tue Nov 6, 9:42 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Kyle Rose, (Sat Sep 8, 10:42 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 9, 7:13 am)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Stephen Hemminger, (Tue Sep 11, 4:05 am)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, James Corey, (Tue Sep 11, 6:20 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Sep 11, 7:54 am)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Bill Davidsen, (Tue Sep 11, 10:29 am)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Sep 11, 11:03 am)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Willy Tarreau, (Tue Sep 11, 6:37 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Sep 9, 12:48 am)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Kyle Rose, (Wed Sep 5, 5:04 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Stephen Hemminger, (Wed Sep 5, 7:00 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Bill Davidsen, (Thu Jul 26, 7:38 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Jeff Garzik, (Thu Jul 26, 7:41 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Chris Stromsoe, (Thu Jul 26, 6:58 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Jan Engelhardt, (Thu Jul 26, 12:28 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Kyle Rose, (Thu Jul 26, 12:30 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Jan Engelhardt, (Thu Jul 26, 12:41 pm)
Re: sk98lin for 2.6.23-rc1, Kyle Rose, (Thu Jul 26, 9:07 pm)