Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary)

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Date: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 2:13 pm

On Wednesday 11 July 2007 10:26:30 am Li Yang wrote:

I don't distinguish between "popular" and "non-popular" languages.  If 
somebody's willing to do the translation work, it's popular.  If nobody's 
willing to do the work, then even a language 1/3 of the planet's population 
speaks isn't "popular" for kernel development.

I wouldn't discourage a translator into Klingon if they were willing to keep 
their translation up to date and/or it actually resulted in patches.


The chinese mailing list is highly cool, and my first instinct was to note it 
on kernel.org/doc, but it would be better if the chinese website I already 
link to notes it instead.  (That way I don't have to worry about how to 
spam-guard your email address. :)

This also highlights the need for language maintainers to help the patches go 
upstream to the english list.  (If we can avoid armchair commentators 
saddling them with the task of translating the entire Documentation directory 
and keeping such a translation up to date, we might actually get one too.  
Fielding patches and questions sounds like plenty to me...)

Could you ask on said list if anyone is likely to volunteer for the position?  
(JUST translating patches and questions, as part of pushing code upstream.)


Obvious counter-arguments include the floppy driver, the floppy tape driver, 
the tty layer, and most of the existing english Documentation directory...

I'll happily stay out of the way of people who actually want to merge 
translations of documentation into the kernel.  I reserve the right to say "I 
told you so" in about five years.


different than any other patches.  Translate the description and questions 
going back and forth.  The patch itself doesn't get translated when it's C 
and applies to scripts/kconfig/, why would it when it's UTF-8 and applies to 
Documentation/?

Of course this brings up the question "what kind of function and variable 
names do chinese people pick?"  (I honestly don't know, but I note that 
attempts to use names that don't fit in 7-bit ascii would probably be frowned 
upon in a big way...)


A list works fine as a point of contact.  I note that in general, maintainers 
are individuals (who delegate like mad, of course), because otherwise agenda 
items languish with everyone thinking it's someone else's responsibility.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/buckstop.htm


Hmmm...  Now I'm wondering if I should link directly to the docs pages of the 
chinese and japanese sites, or to the top level community pages?

Rob
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"One of my most productive days was throwing away 1000 lines of code."
  - Ken Thompson.
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[RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, holzheu, (Wed Jun 13, 11:06 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, David Miller, (Wed Jun 13, 2:23 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, holzheu, (Wed Jun 13, 2:27 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Andrew Morton, (Wed Jun 13, 2:15 pm)
Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Michael Holzheu, (Mon Jun 25, 9:48 am)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Rob Landley, (Mon Jun 25, 11:44 am)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Michael Holzheu, (Wed Jun 27, 11:11 am)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Kunai, Takashi, (Mon Jul 9, 1:15 am)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Oliver Neukum, (Mon Jul 9, 3:01 am)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Satyam Sharma, (Mon Jul 9, 6:59 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Oliver Neukum, (Tue Jul 10, 2:15 am)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), H. Peter Anvin, (Mon Jul 9, 1:36 am)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Dave Young, (Tue Jul 10, 2:38 am)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Rob Landley, (Mon Jul 9, 12:48 pm)
RE: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Li Yang-r58472, (Tue Jul 10, 3:59 am)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Adrian Bunk, (Mon Jul 9, 2:33 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Rob Landley, (Tue Jul 10, 12:25 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Tim Bird, (Mon Jul 16, 8:31 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Rob Landley, (Tue Jul 17, 12:29 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), H. Peter Anvin, (Mon Jul 16, 9:17 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Rob Landley, (Tue Jul 17, 12:42 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Adrian Bunk, (Tue Jul 10, 2:54 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Rob Landley, (Tue Jul 10, 3:53 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary) , Gerrit Huizenga, (Mon Jul 9, 1:18 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Rob Landley, (Tue Jul 10, 12:12 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Li Yang, (Wed Jul 11, 10:26 am)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Rob Landley, (Wed Jul 11, 2:13 pm)
RE: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Li Yang-r58472, (Thu Jul 12, 9:53 am)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Rob Landley, (Thu Jul 12, 1:35 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Li Yang, (Fri Jul 13, 7:54 am)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Rik van Riel, (Sun Jul 15, 4:30 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Tsugikazu Shibata, (Thu Jul 12, 10:54 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Rob Landley, (Fri Jul 13, 1:12 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Tsugikazu Shibata, (Fri Jul 13, 9:46 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Rob Landley, (Sat Jul 14, 10:12 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Tsugikazu Shibata, (Sun Jul 15, 12:46 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Rob Landley, (Tue Jul 17, 12:06 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Tsugikazu Shibata, (Tue Jul 17, 7:30 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Tsugikazu Shibata, (Thu Jul 12, 12:41 pm)
[PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer, Rob Landley, (Thu Jul 12, 12:05 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer, Li Yang, (Fri Jul 13, 8:43 am)
Re: [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer, Rob Landley, (Fri Jul 13, 1:52 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer, Li Yang, (Sun Jul 15, 10:42 am)
Re: [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer, Tsugikazu Shibata, (Sun Jul 15, 10:49 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer, Li Yang, (Tue Jul 17, 12:24 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer, Rob Landley, (Tue Jul 17, 5:06 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer, H. Peter Anvin, (Sun Jul 15, 11:03 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer, H. Peter Anvin, (Sun Jul 15, 2:12 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer, Rene Herman, (Sun Jul 15, 4:25 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer, Li Yang, (Sun Jul 15, 2:53 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer, Alan Cox, (Sun Jul 15, 2:50 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer, H. Peter Anvin, (Sun Jul 15, 3:11 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer, Rik van Riel, (Sun Jul 15, 4:25 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer, Pavel Machek, (Thu Jul 12, 4:02 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer, Rob Landley, (Fri Jul 13, 12:06 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer, Geert Uytterhoeven, (Fri Jul 13, 3:42 am)
Re: [PATCH] Chinese Language Maintainer, Geert Uytterhoeven, (Thu Jul 12, 3:52 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Rob Landley, (Thu Jul 12, 12:56 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Theodore Tso, (Wed Jul 11, 5:32 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Alan Cox, (Fri Jul 13, 6:53 am)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Rob Landley, (Fri Jul 13, 2:05 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Randy Dunlap, (Fri Jul 13, 11:54 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Rob Landley, (Sat Jul 14, 9:56 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Randy Dunlap, (Sun Jul 15, 12:28 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Rob Landley, (Mon Jul 16, 3:53 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Randy Dunlap, (Fri Aug 3, 2:11 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Rob Landley, (Fri Aug 3, 3:32 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Greg KH, (Fri Aug 3, 11:52 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Rob Landley, (Sat Aug 4, 2:54 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Stefan Richter, (Sat Aug 4, 4:04 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Rob Landley, (Mon Aug 6, 11:50 am)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Greg KH, (Fri Aug 3, 11:50 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Rob Landley, (Sat Aug 4, 3:02 pm)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Stefan Richter, (Fri Jul 13, 9:25 am)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Li Yang, (Fri Jul 13, 8:49 am)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Theodore Tso, (Fri Jul 13, 9:43 am)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Michael Holzheu, (Wed Jul 11, 8:15 am)
Re: Documentation of kernel messages (Summary), Sam Ravnborg, (Mon Jun 25, 2:05 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Jan Kara, (Thu Jun 14, 5:41 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Pavel Machek, (Fri Jun 15, 8:40 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, holzheu, (Mon Jun 18, 9:42 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Pavel Machek, (Mon Jun 18, 10:02 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, holzheu, (Thu Jun 14, 6:38 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages , Gerrit Huizenga, (Fri Jun 15, 2:42 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Tim Bird, (Mon Jun 18, 8:13 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages , Gerrit Huizenga, (Mon Jun 18, 11:52 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Sam Ravnborg, (Mon Jun 18, 9:11 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Randy Dunlap, (Mon Jun 18, 11:35 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, holzheu, (Mon Jun 18, 8:55 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Arjan van de Ven, (Mon Jun 18, 9:12 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, holzheu, (Mon Jun 18, 9:53 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Arjan van de Ven, (Mon Jun 18, 9:36 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, holzheu, (Tue Jun 19, 7:31 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, holzheu, (Tue Jun 19, 4:51 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Arjan van de Ven, (Tue Jun 19, 3:24 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Jan Kara, (Mon Jun 18, 9:33 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Randy Dunlap, (Fri Jun 15, 2:51 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages , Gerrit Huizenga, (Fri Jun 15, 3:27 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Greg KH, (Fri Jun 15, 4:01 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, holzheu, (Thu Jun 14, 7:47 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Jan Kara, (Thu Jun 14, 8:26 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, holzheu, (Thu Jun 14, 11:22 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Martin Schwidefsky, (Thu Jun 14, 4:31 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Greg KH, (Wed Jun 13, 1:51 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, holzheu, (Wed Jun 13, 2:18 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Joe Perches, (Wed Jun 13, 3:04 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Jan Engelhardt, (Fri Jun 15, 4:51 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, H. Peter Anvin, (Thu Jun 14, 3:05 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Greg KH, (Wed Jun 13, 2:32 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Martin Schwidefsky, (Thu Jun 14, 4:17 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Kok, Auke, (Wed Jun 13, 2:49 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Dave Hansen, (Wed Jun 13, 2:49 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Alexey Dobriyan, (Wed Jun 13, 1:16 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, holzheu, (Wed Jun 13, 1:46 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Jan Engelhardt, (Fri Jun 15, 4:49 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, holzheu, (Wed Jun 13, 2:11 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Krzysztof Halasa, (Thu Jun 14, 4:47 am)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Rob Landley, (Wed Jun 13, 2:09 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Dave Hansen, (Wed Jun 13, 12:37 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, holzheu, (Wed Jun 13, 1:42 pm)
Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages, Sam Ravnborg, (Wed Jun 13, 1:11 pm)