Hi, Ph. Marek wrote:I'm surprised this didn't come up sooner, but the situation is a little different now. First, Sun is pushing ZFS quite a lot, even though it appears to violate pretty much all of Network Appliance's patents (ZFS is really not that much more than WAFL + extents + checksums AFAICT). Considering ZFS will be in Solaris, BSD, and MacOS, perhaps Sun feels that it is calling NA's bluff on the validity of the WAFL patents. Second, Oracle is now working on Btrfs (if ever a FS needed a better name... is that pronounced ButterFS?). Like Daniel pointed out when doing Tux2, the "hierarchical copy on write" approach used in WAFL, ZFS, Tux2 and Btrfs is _not_ that new of an idea in the database world. Maybe Oracle feels they can push out Btrfs because they have some prior art, or just that they have enough of a patent arsenal to keep NA from challenging them. So, it is clear why individual developers and Ext* people would steer away from the NA patents, but large companies may not have to. The recent US supreme court ruling may have helped out in that regard. It's been pretty clear at least in the research world that this is *the* approach if you want atomic snapshots. COW is the obvious and sane way to do that, and file systems are trees, so COW on a tree is how you do efficient atomic snapshots on a filesystem. There are still some issues with unexpected disk space usage (it requires _additional_ disk space to _delete_ a file), and it tends to use more memory (you want to delay client writes as much as possible, so you can allocate later and copy the least amount necessary), but once users wrap their heads around the concepts, many feel the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. If patents hadn't stood in the way, we'd have had this stuff years ago. At least there is some progress now, and better late than never. - Jim Bruce -
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