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To: David Chinner <dgc@...>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@...>, <clameter@...>, <linux-kernel@...>, Mel Gorman <mel@...>, William Lee Irwin III <wli@...>, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@...>, Badari Pulavarty <pbadari@...>, Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@...>
Date: Friday, May 4, 2007 - 9:31 am

David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com> writes:


So the practical question is.  Was it a high level design problem or
was it simply a choice of implementation issue.

Until we code review and implementation that does page aggregation for
linux we can't say how nasty it would be.

Of course what gets confusing is when you mention you refer to the
previous implementation as a buffer cache, because that isn't at all
what Linux had for a buffer cache.  The linux buffer cache was the
same as the current page cache except it was index by block number and
not by offset into a file.


The suggestion seems to be to always aggregate pages (to handle
PAGE_SIZE < block size), and not to even worry about the fact
that it happens that the pages you are aggregating are physically
contiguous.  The memory allocator and the block layer can worry
about that.  It isn't something the page cache or filesystems
need to pay attention to.

I suspect the implementation in linux would be sufficiently different
that it would not be prone to the same problems.  Among other things
we are already do most things on a range of page addresses, so we
would seem to have most of the infrastructure already.

It looks like if we extend the current batching a little more
so it covers all of the interesting cases. (read)

Ensure the dirty bit on all pages in the group when we set it on
one page.

Add re-read when we dirty the group if we don't have it all present.

Round the range we operate on up so we cleanly hit the beginning
and end of the group size.

Only issue the mapping operations on the first page in the group.

Is about what we would have to do to handle multiple pages in one
block in the page cache.  There are clearly more details but as
a first approximation I don't see this being fundamentally more
complex then what we are currently doing.  Just taking into account a
few more details.



The whole physical continuity thing seems to come cleanly out of a
speculative page allocator, and that would seem to work and provide
improvements on smaller block sizes filesystems so it looks like
a larger general improvement.

Likewise Jens increase the linux scatter gather list size seems like 
a more general independent improvement.

So if we can also handle groups of pages that make up a single block
as a independent change we have all of the benefits of large block
sizes with most of them applying to small sector size filesystems
as well.

Given that small block sizes give us better storage efficiency,
which means less disk bandwidth used, which means less time
to get the data off of a slow disk (especially if you can
put multiple files you want simultaneously in that same space).
I'm not convinced that large block sizes are a clear disk performance
advantage, so we should not neglect the small file sizes.

Eric
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[00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, , (Tue Apr 24, 6:21 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Maxim Levitsky, (Sat Apr 28, 12:39 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Mon Apr 30, 1:23 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Andrew Morton, (Thu Apr 26, 10:04 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, David Chinner, (Thu Apr 26, 10:27 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Andrew Morton, (Thu Apr 26, 10:53 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, David Chinner, (Fri Apr 27, 12:20 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Andrew Morton, (Fri Apr 27, 1:15 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Theodore Tso, (Fri Apr 27, 12:55 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nicholas Miell, (Fri Apr 27, 1:32 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Fri Apr 27, 2:12 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, David Chinner, (Fri Apr 27, 2:09 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Andrew Morton, (Fri Apr 27, 3:04 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, David Chinner, (Fri Apr 27, 4:03 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Eric W. Biederman, (Fri May 4, 9:31 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, David Chinner, (Mon May 7, 12:58 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Eric W. Biederman, (Mon May 7, 2:56 am)
RE: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Weigert, Daniel, (Mon May 7, 11:17 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Fri May 4, 12:11 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Andrew Morton, (Fri Apr 27, 4:48 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Eric W. Biederman, (Fri May 4, 8:57 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Theodore Tso, (Fri Apr 27, 12:45 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Eric W. Biederman, (Fri May 4, 9:33 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, David Chinner, (Mon May 7, 12:29 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Eric W. Biederman, (Mon May 7, 12:48 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, David Chinner, (Mon May 7, 1:27 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Eric W. Biederman, (Mon May 7, 2:43 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Mon May 7, 12:06 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Mon May 7, 1:29 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Mon May 7, 2:49 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Mon May 7, 3:06 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Tue May 8, 4:49 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Fri Apr 27, 1:49 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Andrew Morton, (Fri Apr 27, 2:55 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Fri Apr 27, 9:44 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Andrew Morton, (Fri Apr 27, 3:15 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Fri Apr 27, 10:21 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Paul Mackerras, (Fri Apr 27, 7:05 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Fri Apr 27, 7:58 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Fri Apr 27, 7:41 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Paul Mackerras, (Fri Apr 27, 8:14 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Hellwig, (Fri Apr 27, 9:42 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Fri Apr 27, 8:36 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Fri Apr 27, 8:12 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Hellwig, (Fri Apr 27, 9:37 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Fri Apr 27, 8:25 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Fri Apr 27, 12:48 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Hellwig, (Fri Apr 27, 9:39 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Fri Apr 27, 10:27 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Hellwig, (Sat Apr 28, 4:16 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Fri Apr 27, 10:39 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Fri Apr 27, 10:50 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Fri Apr 27, 11:16 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Fri Apr 27, 3:22 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Andrew Morton, (Fri Apr 27, 3:29 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Fri Apr 27, 3:35 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Andrew Morton, (Fri Apr 27, 3:43 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Fri Apr 27, 3:19 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Andrew Morton, (Fri Apr 27, 3:26 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, David Chinner, (Fri Apr 27, 12:36 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, David Chinner, (Fri Apr 27, 1:34 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Andrew Morton, (Fri Apr 27, 3:11 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, David Chinner, (Fri Apr 27, 11:17 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Andrew Morton, (Sat Apr 28, 12:56 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Alan Cox, (Sat Apr 28, 5:43 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Andrew Morton, (Sat Apr 28, 5:58 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Alan Cox, (Sat Apr 28, 6:21 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Andrew Morton, (Sat Apr 28, 6:25 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Alan Cox, (Sat Apr 28, 7:29 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Sat Apr 28, 10:37 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Sat Apr 28, 1:08 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Andrew Morton, (Sat Apr 28, 1:36 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Sat Apr 28, 2:24 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Andrew Morton, (Sat Apr 28, 2:52 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Mon Apr 30, 1:30 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Fri Apr 27, 11:49 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Fri Apr 27, 9:43 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Peter Zijlstra, (Sat Apr 28, 4:04 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Andrew Morton, (Sat Apr 28, 4:22 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Sat Apr 28, 10:09 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Andrew Morton, (Sat Apr 28, 2:26 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Sat Apr 28, 3:19 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Andrew Morton, (Sat Apr 28, 5:28 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Peter Zijlstra, (Sat Apr 28, 4:32 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Andrew Morton, (Sat Apr 28, 4:55 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Peter Zijlstra, (Sat Apr 28, 5:36 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Fri Apr 27, 8:01 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, David Chinner, (Fri Apr 27, 4:37 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 (mmap conceptual disc..., Christoph Lameter, (Thu Apr 26, 11:47 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Maxim Levitsky, (Thu Apr 26, 2:50 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Eric W. Biederman, (Thu Apr 26, 12:51 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Apr 26, 1:05 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Eric W. Biederman, (Thu Apr 26, 1:44 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Pierre Ossman, (Sat Apr 28, 6:55 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Eric W. Biederman, (Sat Apr 28, 11:39 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Alan Cox, (Thu Apr 26, 9:28 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Matt Mackall, (Sun Apr 29, 10:12 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Jens Axboe, (Thu Apr 26, 9:30 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Apr 26, 2:37 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Mel Gorman, (Thu Apr 26, 5:16 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Thu Apr 26, 2:38 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Hellwig, (Thu Apr 26, 11:58 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Jens Axboe, (Thu Apr 26, 12:05 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Hellwig, (Thu Apr 26, 12:16 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Apr 26, 2:46 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Mel Gorman, (Thu Apr 26, 6:06 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Thu Apr 26, 10:47 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Thu Apr 26, 2:57 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Thu Apr 26, 1:37 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Apr 26, 2:40 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Thu Apr 26, 2:53 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Apr 26, 3:07 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Thu Apr 26, 3:15 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Apr 26, 3:22 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Thu Apr 26, 10:49 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Thu Apr 26, 3:42 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Apr 26, 2:13 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Fri Apr 27, 6:15 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Thu Apr 26, 10:53 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Eric W. Biederman, (Thu Apr 26, 2:21 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Thu Apr 26, 8:32 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Fri Apr 27, 6:22 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Fri Apr 27, 8:58 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Fri Apr 27, 9:06 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Fri Apr 27, 10:49 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Apr 26, 2:16 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Andy Whitcroft, (Thu Apr 26, 8:37 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Thu Apr 26, 11:08 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, David Chinner, (Thu Apr 26, 11:28 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Thu Apr 26, 11:19 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, David Chinner, (Thu Apr 26, 10:18 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Mel Gorman, (Thu Apr 26, 6:48 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, David Chinner, (Thu Apr 26, 3:04 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Thu Apr 26, 3:07 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Apr 26, 3:11 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Thu Apr 26, 3:17 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Apr 26, 3:28 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Thu Apr 26, 3:45 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Apr 26, 2:10 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Fri Apr 27, 6:08 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, David Chinner, (Thu Apr 26, 2:38 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Eric W. Biederman, (Thu Apr 26, 6:10 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Apr 26, 2:07 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Eric W. Biederman, (Thu Apr 26, 2:45 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Apr 26, 2:59 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Eric W. Biederman, (Thu Apr 26, 3:21 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, David Chinner, (Thu Apr 26, 9:50 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Jeremy Higdon, (Thu Apr 26, 8:19 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Thu Apr 26, 11:38 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Thu Apr 26, 11:58 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Fri Apr 27, 5:46 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Thu Apr 26, 10:40 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Thu Apr 26, 2:50 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Hellwig, (Thu Apr 26, 12:11 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Fri Apr 27, 6:38 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Eric W. Biederman, (Thu Apr 26, 1:49 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Apr 26, 2:03 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Jens Axboe, (Thu Apr 26, 2:03 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Hellwig, (Thu Apr 26, 2:09 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Jens Axboe, (Thu Apr 26, 2:12 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Apr 26, 2:28 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Jens Axboe, (Thu Apr 26, 2:29 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Apr 26, 2:35 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Jens Axboe, (Thu Apr 26, 2:39 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Mel Gorman, (Thu Apr 26, 4:22 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Jens Axboe, (Fri Apr 27, 1:16 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Thu Apr 26, 8:21 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Eric W. Biederman, (Thu Apr 26, 3:35 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Jens Axboe, (Thu Apr 26, 3:42 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Eric W. Biederman, (Fri Apr 27, 12:05 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Fri Apr 27, 6:26 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Eric W. Biederman, (Fri Apr 27, 9:51 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Hellwig, (Thu Apr 26, 2:24 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Jens Axboe, (Thu Apr 26, 2:24 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Mel Gorman, (Thu Apr 26, 4:40 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Nick Piggin, (Thu Apr 26, 4:55 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Mel Gorman, (Thu Apr 26, 6:30 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Eric W. Biederman, (Thu Apr 26, 6:54 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Apr 26, 1:58 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Jens Axboe, (Thu Apr 26, 2:02 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Mel Gorman, (Thu Apr 26, 8:23 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, H. Peter Anvin, (Tue Apr 24, 8:47 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Mel Gorman, (Wed Apr 25, 9:28 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Wed Apr 25, 11:23 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Jens Axboe, (Wed Apr 25, 7:35 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Wed Apr 25, 11:36 am)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Jens Axboe, (Wed Apr 25, 1:53 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Wed Apr 25, 2:03 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Jens Axboe, (Wed Apr 25, 2:05 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Christoph Lameter, (Wed Apr 25, 2:14 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Jens Axboe, (Wed Apr 25, 2:16 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, William Lee Irwin III, (Tue Apr 24, 11:11 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Jörn, (Tue Apr 24, 8:46 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, Badari Pulavarty, (Wed Apr 25, 6:46 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, David Chinner, (Wed Apr 25, 9:14 pm)
Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3, David Chinner, (Wed Apr 25, 9:17 pm)
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