Re: pcmcia resume 60 second hang. Re: [patch 00/69] -stable review

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To: Nigel Cunningham <nigel@...>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@...>, Romano Giannetti <romanol@...>, Chris Wright <chrisw@...>, Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@...>, Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...>, <stable@...>, Justin Forbes <jmforbes@...>, Zwane Mwaikambo <zwane@...>, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@...>, Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@...>, Dave Jones <davej@...>, Chuck Wolber <chuckw@...>, Chris Wedgwood <reviews@...>, Michael Krufky <mkrufky@...>, <akpm@...>, <alan@...>, Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@...>
Date: Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 11:31 pm

On Fri, 25 May 2007, Nigel Cunningham wrote:

I actually don't think that processes should be frozen really at all.

I agree that filesystems have to be frozen (and I think that checkpointing 
of the filesystem or block device is "too clever"), but I just don't think 
that has anything to do with freezing processes.

So I'd actually much prefer to freeze at the VFS (and socket layers, etc), 
and make sure that anybody who tries to write or do something else that we 
cannot do until resuming, will just be blocked (or perhaps just buffered)!

See? I actually think that this process-based thing is barking up the 
wrong tree. After all, it's really not the case that we need to stop 
processes, and stopping processes really does have some problems. It's 
simpler in some ways, but I think a more directed solution would actually 
be better.


But I really don't care that deeply per se, exactly because I don't use it 
myself. I think people are going down the wrong rabbit-hole, but it 
wouldn't _irritate_ me that much except for the fact that it now also 
impacts suspend-to-RAM.

			Linus
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Re: [patch 00/69] -stable review, Linus Torvalds, (Tue May 22, 6:07 pm)
Re: [patch 00/69] -stable review, Romano Giannetti, (Thu May 24, 8:06 am)
Re: [patch 00/69] -stable review, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 24, 12:16 pm)
Re: pcmcia resume 60 second hang. Re: [patch 00/69] -stable ..., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu May 24, 5:03 pm)
Re: pcmcia resume 60 second hang. Re: [patch 00/69] -stable ..., Henrique de Moraes Holschuh..., (Thu May 24, 7:16 pm)
Re: pcmcia resume 60 second hang. Re: [patch 00/69] -stable ..., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Fri May 25, 7:44 am)
Re: pcmcia resume 60 second hang. Re: [patch 00/69] -stable ..., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sun May 27, 2:32 pm)
Re: pcmcia resume 60 second hang. Re: [patch 00/69] -stable ..., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Mon May 28, 4:11 am)
Re: pcmcia resume 60 second hang. Re: [patch 00/69] -stable ..., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sun May 27, 3:09 pm)
Re: pcmcia resume 60 second hang. Re: [patch 00/69] -stable ..., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Tue May 29, 8:00 am)
Re: pcmcia resume 60 second hang. Re: [patch 00/69] -stable ..., Michael-Luke Jones, (Tue May 29, 8:00 am)
Re: pcmcia resume 60 second hang. Re: [patch 00/69] -stable ..., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Tue May 29, 8:16 am)
Re: pcmcia resume 60 second hang. Re: [patch 00/69] -stable ..., Nigel Cunningham, (Thu May 24, 10:20 pm)
Re: pcmcia resume 60 second hang. Re: [patch 00/69] -stable ..., Nigel Cunningham, (Thu May 24, 11:00 pm)
Re: pcmcia resume 60 second hang. Re: [patch 00/69] -stable ..., Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 24, 11:31 pm)
Re: pcmcia resume 60 second hang. Re: [patch 00/69] -stable ..., Nigel Cunningham, (Fri May 25, 12:33 am)
Re: pcmcia resume 60 second hang. Re: [patch 00/69] -stable ..., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed May 30, 10:04 am)
Re: pcmcia resume 60 second hang. Re: [patch 00/69] -stable ..., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed May 30, 10:08 am)
Long delay in resume from RAM (Was Re: [patch 00/69] -stable..., Romano Giannetti, (Thu May 24, 11:06 am)
Re: Long delay in resume from RAM (Was Re: [patch 00/69] -st..., Johannes Stezenbach, (Thu May 24, 6:30 pm)
Re: [patch 00/69] -stable review, Romano Giannetti, (Wed May 23, 3:09 am)
Re: [patch 00/69] -stable review, Paolo Ornati, (Wed May 23, 3:19 am)
Re: [patch 00/69] -stable review, Romano Giannetti, (Wed May 23, 3:38 am)