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From: Matthias Andree <matthias.andree@...>

To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...>

Cc: Andreas Dilger <adilger@...>, Marat Buharov <marat.buharov@...>, Andrew Morton <akpm@...>, Mike Galbraith <efault@...>, LKML <linux-kernel@...>, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@...>, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org <linux-ext4@...>, Alex Tomas <alex@...>

Subject: Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comatose when FS is under heavy write load (massive starvation)

Date: Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 4:45 am

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, Linus Torvalds wrote:

quoted text> Oh, well.. Journalling sucks.
> 
> I was actually _really_ hoping that somebody would come along and tell 
> everybody that this whole journal-logging is stupid, and that it's just 
> better to not ever re-write blocks on disk, but instead write to new 
> blocks with version numbers (and not re-use old blocks until new versions 
> are stable on disk).

Only that you need direct-overwrite support to be able to safely trash
data you no longer need...

-- 
Matthias Andree
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[ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comatose w..., Mike Galbraith, (Fri Apr 27, 3:59 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Linus Torvalds, (Fri Apr 27, 11:18 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Jens Axboe, (Wed May 2, 2:53 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Mike Galbraith, (Wed May 2, 3:36 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Mikulas Patocka, (Sat Apr 28, 2:32 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Linus Torvalds, (Sat Apr 28, 12:05 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Jens Axboe, (Mon Apr 30, 2:56 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Mikulas Patocka, (Sat Apr 28, 1:55 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Ingo Molnar, (Sat Apr 28, 12:37 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Mikulas Patocka, (Sat Apr 28, 1:11 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Jens Axboe, (Mon Apr 30, 2:57 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Jan Engelhardt, (Fri Apr 27, 4:06 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Linus Torvalds, (Fri Apr 27, 5:22 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., John Anthony Kazos Jr., (Fri Apr 27, 11:41 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Linus Torvalds, (Fri Apr 27, 11:54 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Marko Macek, (Fri Apr 27, 3:43 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Chuck Ebbert, (Fri Apr 27, 12:24 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Andrew Morton, (Fri Apr 27, 2:31 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Matthias Andree, (Sat Apr 28, 4:51 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Linus Torvalds, (Sat Apr 28, 12:30 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Paolo Ornati, (Sat Apr 28, 12:56 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Andrew Morton, (Sat Apr 28, 4:59 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Mike Galbraith, (Fri Apr 27, 3:27 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Zan Lynx, (Fri Apr 27, 3:09 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Andrew Morton, (Fri Apr 27, 6:07 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Mike Galbraith, (Sat Apr 28, 12:25 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Mike Galbraith, (Sat Apr 28, 2:32 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Andrew Morton, (Sat Apr 28, 3:01 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Mike Galbraith, (Sat Apr 28, 3:12 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Mike Galbraith, (Fri Apr 27, 3:28 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Andrew Morton, (Fri Apr 27, 4:33 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Mikulas Patocka, (Sat Apr 28, 4:46 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Lee Revell, (Sat Apr 28, 5:12 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Mikulas Patocka, (Sun Apr 29, 5:17 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Mark Lord, (Sun Apr 29, 4:49 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Marat Buharov, (Fri Apr 27, 7:59 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Linus Torvalds, (Fri Apr 27, 11:30 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Matthias Andree, (Sat Apr 28, 4:44 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Andreas Dilger, (Fri Apr 27, 3:31 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Linus Torvalds, (Fri Apr 27, 3:50 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Matthias Andree, (Sat Apr 28, 4:45 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Miquel van Smoorenburg, (Fri Apr 27, 4:12 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Manoj Joseph, (Fri Apr 27, 4:54 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Stephen Clark, (Fri Apr 27, 4:45 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Gabriel C, (Fri Apr 27, 4:29 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Bill Huey, (Fri Apr 27, 4:12 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Mikulas Patocka, (Sat Apr 28, 1:37 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Bill Huey, (Sat Apr 28, 5:57 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Mikulas Patocka, (Sat Apr 28, 6:38 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Mikulas Patocka, (Sat Apr 28, 1:45 am)

RE: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Hua Zhong, (Fri Apr 27, 4:05 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Andrew Morton, (Fri Apr 27, 6:18 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Alex Tomas, (Thu May 3, 1:38 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Andrew Morton, (Thu May 3, 7:54 pm)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Alex Tomas, (Fri May 4, 2:18 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Andrew Morton, (Fri May 4, 2:38 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Alex Tomas, (Fri May 4, 2:57 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Andrew Morton, (Fri May 4, 3:18 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Alex Tomas, (Fri May 4, 3:39 am)

Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Andrew Morton, (Fri May 4, 4:02 am)

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Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comato..., Manoj Joseph, (Fri Apr 27, 8:39 am)

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