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To: Nigel Cunningham <nigel@...>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...>, LKML <linux-kernel@...>
Date: Friday, April 27, 2007 - 2:50 am

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, Nigel Cunningham wrote:

It certainly isn't.

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, Nigel Cunningham wrote:

You don't need to modify other programs. You just need to display the 
progress bar and block _user input_. I don't even claim to know X, but I 
would be extremely surprised if you technically can't say "don't let 
the user touch any other windows except this one." The user couldn't care 
less whether tasks are frozen or not by the kernel. What matters is that 
the user can't shoot himself in the foot while snapshotting.

Furthermore, we probably do need to do other things to ensure safety, like 
remounting filesystems read-only but again, this has nothing to do with 
snapshotting per se. What the kernel needs to worry about is (1) providing 
an atomic snapshot that is consistent and (2) resuming to that snapshot 
safely. If the _user_ loses data that was generated between snapshot + 
shutdown, it's absolutely no concern for the snapshot operation!

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, Nigel Cunningham wrote:

But you just explained how we can! We shouldn't bend over backwards for 
snapshotting just because the filesystems don't currently support 
something we need.

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, Nigel Cunningham wrote:

Don't worry, I am used to cold water :-).

				Pekka
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Back to the future., Nigel Cunningham, (Thu Apr 26, 2:04 am)
Re: Back to the future., Jan Engelhardt, (Thu Apr 26, 4:38 am)
Re: Back to the future., Nigel Cunningham, (Thu Apr 26, 5:33 am)
Re: Back to the future., Pekka Enberg, (Thu Apr 26, 3:28 am)
Re: Back to the future., Nigel Cunningham, (Thu Apr 26, 3:42 am)
Re: Back to the future., Linus Torvalds, (Thu Apr 26, 12:56 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Chase Venters, (Thu Apr 26, 2:22 pm)
Re: Back to the future., David Lang, (Thu Apr 26, 2:50 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Linus Torvalds, (Thu Apr 26, 1:07 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Pavel Machek, (Fri Apr 27, 8:49 am)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Fri Apr 27, 5:26 pm)
Re: Back to the future., David Lang, (Fri Apr 27, 6:12 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Pavel Machek, (Thu Apr 26, 6:42 pm)
Re: Back to the future., David Lang, (Thu Apr 26, 6:24 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Pavel Machek, (Thu Apr 26, 7:12 pm)
Re: Back to the future., David Lang, (Thu Apr 26, 6:49 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Olivier Galibert, (Thu Apr 26, 8:23 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Pavel Machek, (Thu Apr 26, 7:27 pm)
Re: Back to the future., David Lang, (Thu Apr 26, 6:56 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Pavel Machek, (Thu Apr 26, 6:40 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Pekka Enberg, (Fri Apr 27, 1:41 am)
Re: Back to the future., Pavel Machek, (Fri Apr 27, 10:55 am)
Re: Back to the future., Nigel Cunningham, (Fri Apr 27, 5:39 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Nigel Cunningham, (Thu Apr 26, 3:56 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Pekka J Enberg, (Fri Apr 27, 12:52 am)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Fri Apr 27, 4:44 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Nigel Cunningham, (Fri Apr 27, 2:08 am)
Re: Back to the future., Pekka J Enberg, (Fri Apr 27, 2:18 am)
Re: Back to the future., Pekka J Enberg, (Fri Apr 27, 2:29 am)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Fri Apr 27, 5:24 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Linus Torvalds, (Fri Apr 27, 5:44 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Fri Apr 27, 8:18 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Matthew Garrett, (Fri Apr 27, 9:00 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Fri Apr 27, 9:05 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Pavel Machek, (Thu May 3, 11:14 am)
Re: Back to the future., Eric W. Biederman, (Fri Jun 1, 3:00 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Fri Apr 27, 9:08 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Fri Apr 27, 6:04 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Linus Torvalds, (Fri Apr 27, 6:08 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Fri Apr 27, 6:41 pm)
Re: Back to the future., David Lang, (Fri Apr 27, 6:26 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Fri Apr 27, 7:21 pm)
Re: Back to the future., David Lang, (Fri Apr 27, 7:01 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Fri Apr 27, 8:02 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Linus Torvalds, (Fri Apr 27, 7:17 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Pavel Machek, (Thu May 3, 11:25 am)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Fri Apr 27, 7:45 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Linus Torvalds, (Fri Apr 27, 7:59 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Linus Torvalds, (Fri Apr 27, 8:18 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Pavel Machek, (Sat May 5, 7:42 am)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Fri Apr 27, 9:00 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Linus Torvalds, (Fri Apr 27, 9:12 pm)
Re: Back to the future., David Lang, (Fri Apr 27, 8:54 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Fri Apr 27, 9:44 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Pavel Machek, (Sat Apr 28, 4:50 am)
Re: Back to the future., David Lang, (Sat Apr 28, 2:32 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sat Apr 28, 3:14 pm)
Re: Back to the future., David Lang, (Sat Apr 28, 2:44 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Linus Torvalds, (Sat Apr 28, 12:28 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sat Apr 28, 1:50 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Linus Torvalds, (Sat Apr 28, 5:25 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Pavel Machek, (Sun Apr 29, 4:23 am)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sun Apr 29, 5:22 am)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sat Apr 28, 7:03 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Linus Torvalds, (Sat Apr 28, 7:45 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Kyle Moffett, (Sat Apr 28, 11:43 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sun Apr 29, 4:57 am)
Re: Back to the future., Pavel Machek, (Sun Apr 29, 4:59 am)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sun Apr 29, 5:32 am)
Re: Back to the future., Nigel Cunningham, (Sat Apr 28, 8:01 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sat Apr 28, 5:24 am)
Re: Back to the future., Daniel Hazelton, (Fri Apr 27, 10:51 pm)
progress meter in s2disk (was Re: Back to the future.), Pavel Machek, (Sat Apr 28, 3:00 am)
Re: Back to the future., Paul Mackerras, (Fri Apr 27, 8:50 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Nigel Cunningham, (Fri Apr 27, 7:57 pm)
Re: Back to the future., David Lang, (Fri Apr 27, 7:50 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Linus Torvalds, (Fri Apr 27, 8:40 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Pavel Machek, (Thu May 3, 1:18 pm)
Re: Back to the future., David Lang, (Sun May 6, 10:13 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Kyle Moffett, (Sun May 6, 11:33 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Pavel Machek, (Mon May 7, 8:48 am)
Re: Back to the future., Oliver Neukum, (Mon May 7, 8:52 am)
Re: Back to the future., , (Mon May 7, 10:37 am)
Re: Back to the future., Pavel Machek, (Mon May 7, 3:51 pm)
Re: Back to the future., , (Mon May 7, 3:55 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Pavel Machek, (Mon May 7, 4:38 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Disconnect, (Tue May 8, 1:36 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Oliver Neukum, (Sat Apr 28, 2:58 am)
Re: Back to the future., Pekka J Enberg, (Sat Apr 28, 5:16 am)
Re: Back to the future., David Lang, (Sat Apr 28, 2:28 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Nigel Cunningham, (Fri Apr 27, 6:07 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Kyle Moffett, (Fri Apr 27, 9:03 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Pavel Machek, (Thu May 3, 11:10 am)
Re: Back to the future., Kyle Moffett, (Thu May 3, 12:53 pm)
Re: Back to the future., David Greaves, (Fri May 4, 3:52 am)
Re: Back to the future., Kyle Moffett, (Fri May 4, 9:27 am)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Fri Apr 27, 9:15 pm)
Re: Back to the future., David Lang, (Fri Apr 27, 8:51 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Kyle Moffett, (Fri Apr 27, 9:25 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Oliver Neukum, (Fri Apr 27, 5:50 am)
Re: Back to the future., Pekka J Enberg, (Fri Apr 27, 6:12 am)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sat Apr 28, 6:35 am)
Re: Back to the future., David Lang, (Sat Apr 28, 2:43 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sat Apr 28, 3:37 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Oliver Neukum, (Fri Apr 27, 3:07 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Pekka Enberg, (Sat Apr 28, 5:22 am)
Re: Back to the future., Oliver Neukum, (Sat Apr 28, 9:37 am)
Re: Back to the future., Pavel Machek, (Thu May 3, 8:06 am)
Re: Back to the future., Indan Zupancic, (Fri May 4, 5:52 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Pavel Machek, (Sat May 5, 5:16 am)
Re: Back to the future., Indan Zupancic, (Sat May 5, 8:02 am)
Re: Back to the future., Nigel Cunningham, (Fri Apr 27, 2:34 am)
Re: Back to the future., Pekka J Enberg, (Fri Apr 27, 2:50 am)
Re: Back to the future., Nigel Cunningham, (Fri Apr 27, 3:03 am)
Re: Back to the future., Pekka J Enberg, (Fri Apr 27, 3:24 am)
Re: Back to the future., Bill Davidsen, (Sat Apr 28, 3:09 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Xavier Bestel, (Thu Apr 26, 1:03 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Linus Torvalds, (Thu Apr 26, 1:34 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Pekka Enberg, (Fri Apr 27, 3:51 am)
Re: Back to the future., Nigel Cunningham, (Thu Apr 26, 4:08 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Linus Torvalds, (Thu Apr 26, 4:45 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Nigel Cunningham, (Thu Apr 26, 4:50 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Olivier Galibert, (Thu Apr 26, 8:10 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Daniel Pittman, (Fri Apr 27, 6:21 am)
Re: Back to the future., Nigel Cunningham, (Fri Apr 27, 7:19 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu Apr 26, 6:08 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Linus Torvalds, (Thu Apr 26, 7:15 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Nigel Cunningham, (Thu Apr 26, 6:20 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Theodore Tso, (Thu Apr 26, 5:38 pm)
Re: Back to the future., Christoph Hellwig, (Fri Apr 27, 6:10 am)
Re: Back to the future., Pekka Enberg, (Thu Apr 26, 4:17 am)
Re: Back to the future., Nigel Cunningham, (Thu Apr 26, 5:28 am)
Re: Back to the future., Luca Tettamanti, (Thu Apr 26, 1:29 pm)