Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Completely Fair Scheduler [CFS]

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From: Bill Huey
Date: Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 11:48 am

On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 01:18:09AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:

The problem here is tha Con can get demotivated (and rather upset) when an
idea gets proposed, like SchedPlug, only to have people be hostile to it
and then sudden turn around an adopt this idea. It give the impression
that you, in this specific case, were more interested in controlling a
situation and the track of development instead of actually being inclusive
of the development process with discussion and serious consideration, etc...

This is how the Linux community can be perceived as elitist. The old guard
would serve the community better if people were more mindful and sensitive
to developer issues. There was a particular speech that I was turned off by
at OLS 2006 that pretty much pandering to the "old guard's" needs over
newer developers. Since I'm a some what established engineer in -rt (being
the only other person that mapped the lock hierarchy out for full
preemptibility), I had the confidence to pretty much ignored it while
previously this could have really upset me and be highly discouraging to
a relatively new developer.

As Linux gets larger and larger this is going to be an increasing problem
when folks come into the community with new ideas and the community will
need to change if it intends to integrate these folks. IMO, a lot of
these flame ware wouldn't need to exist if folks listent ot each other
better and permit co-ownership of code like the scheduler since it needs
multipule hands in it adapt to new loads and situations, etc...

I'm saying this nicely now since I can be nasty about it.

bill

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Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Fri Apr 13, 2:21 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., Michal Piotrowski, (Fri Apr 13, 2:57 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Fri Apr 13, 3:21 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Fri Apr 13, 4:30 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Fri Apr 13, 4:58 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., Eric W. Biederman, (Sat Apr 14, 10:15 am)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., Eric W. Biederman, (Sat Apr 14, 10:44 am)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., Eric W. Biederman, (Sat Apr 14, 11:40 am)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., Bill Huey, (Sat Apr 14, 11:48 am)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Sat Apr 14, 12:48 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Sat Apr 14, 9:01 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Sun Apr 15, 8:26 am)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Sun Apr 15, 8:47 am)
Re: Kaffeine problem with CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Apr 15, 9:13 am)
Re: Kaffeine problem with CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Apr 15, 9:25 am)
Re: Kaffeine problem with CFS, Christoph Pfister, (Sun Apr 15, 9:55 am)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., Jonathan Lundell, (Sun Apr 15, 12:00 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Sun Apr 15, 12:35 pm)
Re: Kaffeine problem with CFS, S.Çağlar, (Sun Apr 15, 3:14 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Sun Apr 15, 4:39 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Sun Apr 15, 4:54 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Sun Apr 15, 8:04 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Mon Apr 16, 4:04 am)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Mon Apr 16, 6:46 am)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Mon Apr 16, 8:45 am)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Mon Apr 16, 9:13 am)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., Michael K. Edwards, (Mon Apr 16, 4:10 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Mon Apr 16, 11:09 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Mon Apr 16, 11:14 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Mon Apr 16, 11:26 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Tue Apr 17, 12:09 am)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Tue Apr 17, 1:23 am)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Tue Apr 17, 1:24 am)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Tue Apr 17, 2:05 am)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Tue Apr 17, 2:57 am)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Tue Apr 17, 4:31 am)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Tue Apr 17, 1:05 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Tue Apr 17, 3:32 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., Michael K. Edwards, (Tue Apr 17, 4:00 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Tue Apr 17, 4:07 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., Michael K. Edwards, (Tue Apr 17, 4:52 pm)
Re: Kaffeine problem with CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Apr 18, 1:27 am)
Re: Kaffeine problem with CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Apr 18, 1:57 am)
Re: Kaffeine problem with CFS, Christoph Pfister, (Wed Apr 18, 1:57 am)
Re: Kaffeine problem with CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Apr 18, 2:01 am)
Re: Kaffeine problem with CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Apr 18, 2:06 am)
Re: Kaffeine problem with CFS, Mike Galbraith, (Wed Apr 18, 2:12 am)
Re: Kaffeine problem with CFS, Christoph Pfister, (Wed Apr 18, 2:13 am)
Re: Kaffeine problem with CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Apr 18, 2:17 am)
Re: Kaffeine problem with CFS, Christoph Pfister, (Wed Apr 18, 2:25 am)
Re: Kaffeine problem with CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Apr 18, 2:28 am)
Re: Kaffeine problem with CFS, Christoph Pfister, (Wed Apr 18, 2:52 am)
Re: Kaffeine problem with CFS, Christoph Pfister, (Wed Apr 18, 3:04 am)
Re: Kaffeine problem with CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Apr 18, 3:17 am)
Re: Kaffeine problem with CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Apr 18, 3:32 am)
Re: Kaffeine problem with CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Apr 18, 3:37 am)
Re: Kaffeine problem with CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Apr 18, 3:49 am)
Re: Kaffeine problem with CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Apr 18, 3:53 am)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Wed Apr 18, 6:08 am)
Re: CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy, Christian Hesse, (Wed Apr 18, 1:45 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Thu Apr 19, 12:57 am)
Renice X for cpu schedulers, Con Kolivas, (Thu Apr 19, 4:59 am)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Peter Williams, (Thu Apr 19, 5:42 am)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Mark Lord, (Thu Apr 19, 6:17 am)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Con Kolivas, (Thu Apr 19, 8:10 am)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Mark Lord, (Thu Apr 19, 9:15 am)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Gene Heskett, (Thu Apr 19, 11:16 am)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Gene Heskett, (Thu Apr 19, 11:21 am)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Ray Lee, (Thu Apr 19, 12:26 pm)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Michael K. Edwards, (Thu Apr 19, 2:35 pm)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Con Kolivas, (Thu Apr 19, 3:47 pm)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Con Kolivas, (Thu Apr 19, 3:56 pm)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Con Kolivas, (Thu Apr 19, 5:17 pm)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Michael K. Edwards, (Thu Apr 19, 5:20 pm)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Ray Lee, (Thu Apr 19, 5:56 pm)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Ed Tomlinson, (Thu Apr 19, 6:17 pm)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Apr 19, 6:27 pm)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Gene Heskett, (Thu Apr 19, 7:00 pm)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Gene Heskett, (Thu Apr 19, 7:01 pm)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Nick Piggin, (Thu Apr 19, 8:57 pm)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Nick Piggin, (Thu Apr 19, 9:09 pm)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Apr 19, 10:24 pm)
Re: [Announce] [patch] Modular Scheduler Core and Complete ..., William Lee Irwin III, (Thu Apr 19, 10:26 pm)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Bill Huey, (Thu Apr 19, 10:34 pm)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Mark Lord, (Sat Apr 21, 7:55 am)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Mark Lord, (Sun Apr 22, 5:54 am)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Con Kolivas, (Sun Apr 22, 5:58 am)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Ray Lee, (Tue Apr 24, 8:50 am)
Re: Renice X for cpu schedulers, Matt Mackall, (Tue Apr 24, 9:23 am)