Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler

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To: Al Boldi <a1426z@...>
Cc: Markus <mjt@...>, ck list <ck@...>, <linux-kernel@...>
Date: Monday, March 5, 2007 - 6:10 pm

On Tuesday 06 March 2007 05:23, Al Boldi wrote:

Hah I just wish gears would go away. If I get hardware where it runs at just 
the right speed it looks like it doesn't move at all. On other hardware the 
wheels go backwards and forwards where the screen refresh rate is just 
perfectly a factor of the frames per second (or something like that). 

This is not a cpu scheduler test and you're inferring that there are cpu 
scheduling artefacts based on an application that has bottlenecks at 
different places depending on the hardware combination. 

To imply something is fishy with nice levels, do a test that _only_ uses cpu 
(and not the bus, memory bandwidth, the gpu and has driver interactions) and 
prove that there is something wrong. What happens to other resources on the 
machine the cpu scheduler has no control over. The -rt tree tries to address 
these factors for example but it's a huge - some would say insurmountable - 
thing to try and manage at all levels on a general purpose operating system. 
The cpu is proportioned out very fairly with rsdl on both quota and latency 
according to nice vs cpu usage. When something is fully cpu bound on rsdl its 
average and maximum latency will be greater than something that only 
intermittently uses cpu. The (somewhat lengthy and not easily digestible) 
docs describe how you can model what these latencies will be.


Thanks!

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Re: [ck] Re: [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free..., Con Kolivas, (Mon Mar 5, 6:10 pm)
RSDL development plans, Con Kolivas, (Tue Mar 13, 7:08 pm)
Re: RSDL development plans, Con Kolivas, (Fri Mar 16, 8:25 am)
RSDL v0.31, Con Kolivas, (Fri Mar 16, 9:40 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Al Boldi, (Fri Mar 16, 5:55 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Con Kolivas, (Fri Mar 16, 10:51 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Al Boldi, (Sat Mar 17, 12:40 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Con Kolivas, (Sat Mar 17, 12:57 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Al Boldi, (Sat Mar 17, 12:12 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Ed Tomlinson, (Sat Mar 17, 9:50 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Gene Heskett, (Sat Mar 17, 1:15 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, AshMilsted, (Fri Mar 16, 1:12 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Gabriel C, (Fri Mar 16, 1:41 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Fri Mar 16, 11:34 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Con Kolivas, (Fri Mar 16, 5:13 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Fri Mar 16, 6:30 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Rik van Riel, (Sat Mar 17, 10:32 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Mar 17, 11:39 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 10:43 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Dirk Schoebel, (Fri Mar 16, 7:05 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Nicholas Miell, (Sat Mar 17, 12:24 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 1:56 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Nicholas Miell, (Sat Mar 17, 2:26 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Mar 17, 3:56 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, jos poortvliet, (Sat Mar 17, 7:07 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Mar 17, 8:44 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, jos poortvliet, (Sat Mar 17, 9:44 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Ed Tomlinson, (Sat Mar 17, 10:04 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Mar 17, 3:45 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, David Lang, (Sat Mar 17, 3:44 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 4:46 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Mark Glines, (Sat Mar 17, 10:09 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 10:33 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Mark Glines, (Sat Mar 17, 10:54 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 10:58 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Serge Belyshev, (Sat Mar 17, 4:41 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Con Kolivas, (Sat Mar 17, 5:48 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mark Hahn, (Sat Mar 17, 11:13 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Chris Friesen, (Mon Mar 19, 11:06 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Stephen Clark, (Sat Mar 17, 1:22 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Mar 17, 7:49 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Avi Kivity, (Sat Mar 17, 4:41 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, William Lee Irwin III, (Sat Mar 17, 9:25 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Avi Kivity, (Sun Mar 18, 1:00 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Mar 17, 9:32 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Mar 18, 1:24 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Mar 18, 2:26 am)
Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Radoslaw Szkodzinski, (Sun Mar 18, 2:54 am)
Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Mar 18, 3:58 am)
Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Avi Kivity, (Sun Mar 18, 4:45 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Bill Huey, (Sun Mar 18, 2:09 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Bill Davidsen, (Mon Mar 19, 5:14 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Mar 18, 2:37 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Bill Huey, (Sun Mar 18, 3:35 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Avi Kivity, (Sun Mar 18, 1:55 am)
RE: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, David Schwartz, (Sun Mar 18, 10:27 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Avi Kivity, (Mon Mar 19, 11:25 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Helge Hafting, (Mon Mar 19, 12:06 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Avi Kivity, (Mon Mar 19, 12:37 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Radoslaw Szkodzinski, (Mon Mar 19, 9:27 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, David Lang, (Mon Mar 19, 2:30 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Con Kolivas, (Sat Mar 17, 8:02 am)
Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, jos poortvliet, (Sat Mar 17, 8:23 am)
RE: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, David Schwartz, (Sat Mar 17, 1:31 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Mar 17, 8:28 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Con Kolivas, (Sat Mar 17, 8:43 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Bill Davidsen, (Sat Mar 17, 10:13 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Mar 18, 1:37 am)
Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, jos poortvliet, (Sun Mar 18, 6:58 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Kasper Sandberg, (Sat Mar 17, 11:20 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Mar 17, 12:34 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Bill Davidsen, (Sat Mar 17, 11:23 pm)
Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, jos poortvliet, (Sat Mar 17, 8:15 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 5:58 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mark Lord, (Mon Mar 19, 12:03 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Al Boldi, (Sat Mar 17, 4:55 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mark Lord, (Mon Mar 19, 12:07 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Al Boldi, (Mon Mar 19, 4:53 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Artur Skawina, (Tue Mar 20, 3:50 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Al Boldi, (Wed Mar 21, 12:15 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Artur Skawina, (Wed Mar 21, 1:24 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Xavier Bestel, (Mon Mar 19, 12:26 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mark Lord, (Mon Mar 19, 12:36 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Xavier Bestel, (Mon Mar 19, 12:43 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Mar 19, 11:11 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mark Lord, (Tue Mar 20, 9:22 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Ray Lee, (Tue Mar 20, 11:16 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Kasper Sandberg, (Wed Mar 21, 4:55 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mark Lord, (Tue Mar 20, 11:20 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, jos poortvliet, (Tue Mar 20, 6:26 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Willy Tarreau, (Tue Mar 20, 2:11 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Mar 20, 11:31 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Bill Davidsen, (Wed Mar 28, 7:43 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Keith Duthie, (Wed Mar 21, 4:22 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Al Boldi, (Tue Mar 20, 2:08 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Xavier Bestel, (Tue Mar 20, 5:03 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Mar 21, 3:50 am)
RE: RSDL v0.31, David Schwartz, (Wed Mar 21, 6:43 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Bill Davidsen, (Wed Mar 28, 7:37 pm)
RE: RSDL v0.31, David Schwartz, (Thu Mar 29, 3:10 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Nick Piggin, (Thu Mar 29, 3:34 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Artur Skawina, (Tue Mar 20, 8:31 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Artur Skawina, (Tue Mar 20, 3:16 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Mar 20, 4:03 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Wed Mar 21, 10:57 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Peter Zijlstra, (Wed Mar 21, 12:02 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Mar 22, 3:07 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Con Kolivas, (Thu Mar 22, 6:50 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Fri Mar 23, 12:39 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Con Kolivas, (Fri Mar 23, 1:59 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Fri Mar 23, 8:17 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Fri Mar 23, 2:11 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Mar 22, 5:18 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Con Kolivas, (Thu Mar 22, 6:03 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Mar 22, 5:34 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Mar 22, 5:41 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Wed Mar 21, 1:06 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Mar 18, 2:17 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Kasper Sandberg, (Sun Mar 18, 2:47 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Mar 18, 3:08 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Radoslaw Szkodzinski, (Sun Mar 18, 3:22 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Mar 18, 3:38 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Radoslaw Szkodzinski, (Sun Mar 18, 11:44 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, jos poortvliet, (Sun Mar 18, 12:09 pm)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Kasper Sandberg, (Sun Mar 18, 5:57 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Bill Davidsen, (Mon Mar 19, 4:47 pm)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Kasper Sandberg, (Wed Mar 21, 4:58 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, jos poortvliet, (Tue Mar 20, 6:19 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Avuton Olrich, (Sun Mar 18, 9:57 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, jimmy bahuleyan, (Sun Mar 18, 4:20 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Mar 18, 4:34 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Mar 18, 4:04 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, michael chang, (Sat Mar 17, 9:58 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 6:49 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Gene Heskett, (Sat Mar 17, 8:05 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 9:36 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Gene Heskett, (Sat Mar 17, 1:03 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 1:37 pm)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Kacper Wysocki, (Sat Mar 17, 2:23 pm)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 2:45 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Nicholas Miell, (Sat Mar 17, 4:23 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 3:11 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Gene Heskett, (Sat Mar 17, 7:48 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, William Lee Irwin III, (Sat Mar 17, 3:25 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Nicholas Miell, (Sat Mar 17, 3:29 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 2:08 am)
RE: RSDL v0.31, David Schwartz, (Sun Mar 18, 10:27 pm)
RE: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Mon Mar 19, 2:21 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Willy Tarreau, (Mon Mar 19, 2:59 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Lee Revell, (Sun Mar 18, 3:37 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Szonyi Calin, (Sun Mar 18, 6:45 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Mar 18, 3:55 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Ed Tomlinson, (Sat Mar 17, 9:56 am)
Re: RSDL development plans, Mike Galbraith, (Fri Mar 16, 9:42 am)
Re: RSDL development plans, Con Kolivas, (Fri Mar 16, 9:59 am)
Re: RSDL development plans, Mike Galbraith, (Fri Mar 16, 10:07 am)