Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?

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To: Willy Tarreau <w@...>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...>, William Lee Irwin III <wli@...>, Avi Kivity <avi@...>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...>, Con Kolivas <kernel@...>, <ck@...>, Serge Belyshev <belyshev@...>, Al Boldi <a1426z@...>, Mike Galbraith <efault@...>, <linux-kernel@...>, Nicholas Miell <nmiell@...>, Andrew Morton <akpm@...>, Bill Huey (hui) <billh@...>
Date: Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 2:09 am

On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 06:24:40AM +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote:

Like I've said in a previous email, SGI schedulers have an interactive
term in addition to the normal "nice" values. If RSDL ends up being too
rigid for desktop use, then this might be a good idea to explore in
addition to priority manipulation.

However, it hasn't been completely proven that RSDL can't handle desktop
loads and that needs to be completely explored first. It certain seems
like, from the .jpgs that were posted earlier in the thread regarding mysql
performance, that RSDL seems to have improved performance for those set
ups so it's not universally the case that it sucks for server loads. The
cause of this performance difference has yet to be pinpointed.

Also, bandwidth scheduler like this are a new critical development for
things like the -rt patch. It would benefit greatly if the RSDL basic
mechanisms (RR and deadlines) were to somehow slip into that patch and
be used for a more strict -rt based scheduling class. It would be the basis
for first-class control over process resource usage and would be a first
in Linux or any mainstream kernel.

This would be a powerful addition to Linux as a whole and RSDL should
not be dismissed without these considerations. If it can somehow be
integrated into the kernel with interactivity concerns addressed, then
it would be an all out win for the kernel in both these areas.

bill

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RSDL development plans, Con Kolivas, (Tue Mar 13, 7:08 pm)
Re: RSDL development plans, Con Kolivas, (Fri Mar 16, 8:25 am)
RSDL v0.31, Con Kolivas, (Fri Mar 16, 9:40 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Al Boldi, (Fri Mar 16, 5:55 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Con Kolivas, (Fri Mar 16, 10:51 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Al Boldi, (Sat Mar 17, 12:40 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Con Kolivas, (Sat Mar 17, 12:57 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Al Boldi, (Sat Mar 17, 12:12 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Ed Tomlinson, (Sat Mar 17, 9:50 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Gene Heskett, (Sat Mar 17, 1:15 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, AshMilsted, (Fri Mar 16, 1:12 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Gabriel C, (Fri Mar 16, 1:41 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Fri Mar 16, 11:34 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Con Kolivas, (Fri Mar 16, 5:13 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Fri Mar 16, 6:30 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Rik van Riel, (Sat Mar 17, 10:32 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Mar 17, 11:39 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 10:43 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Dirk Schoebel, (Fri Mar 16, 7:05 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Nicholas Miell, (Sat Mar 17, 12:24 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 1:56 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Nicholas Miell, (Sat Mar 17, 2:26 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Mar 17, 3:56 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, jos poortvliet, (Sat Mar 17, 7:07 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Mar 17, 8:44 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, jos poortvliet, (Sat Mar 17, 9:44 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Ed Tomlinson, (Sat Mar 17, 10:04 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Mar 17, 3:45 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, David Lang, (Sat Mar 17, 3:44 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 4:46 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Mark Glines, (Sat Mar 17, 10:09 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 10:33 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Mark Glines, (Sat Mar 17, 10:54 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 10:58 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Serge Belyshev, (Sat Mar 17, 4:41 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Con Kolivas, (Sat Mar 17, 5:48 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mark Hahn, (Sat Mar 17, 11:13 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Chris Friesen, (Mon Mar 19, 11:06 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Stephen Clark, (Sat Mar 17, 1:22 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Mar 17, 7:49 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Avi Kivity, (Sat Mar 17, 4:41 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, William Lee Irwin III, (Sat Mar 17, 9:25 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Avi Kivity, (Sun Mar 18, 1:00 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Mar 17, 9:32 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Mar 18, 1:24 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Mar 18, 2:26 am)
Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Radoslaw Szkodzinski, (Sun Mar 18, 2:54 am)
Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Willy Tarreau, (Sun Mar 18, 3:58 am)
Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Avi Kivity, (Sun Mar 18, 4:45 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Bill Huey, (Sun Mar 18, 2:09 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Bill Davidsen, (Mon Mar 19, 5:14 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Mar 18, 2:37 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Bill Huey, (Sun Mar 18, 3:35 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Avi Kivity, (Sun Mar 18, 1:55 am)
RE: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, David Schwartz, (Sun Mar 18, 10:27 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Avi Kivity, (Mon Mar 19, 11:25 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Helge Hafting, (Mon Mar 19, 12:06 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Avi Kivity, (Mon Mar 19, 12:37 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Radoslaw Szkodzinski, (Mon Mar 19, 9:27 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, David Lang, (Mon Mar 19, 2:30 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Con Kolivas, (Sat Mar 17, 8:02 am)
Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, jos poortvliet, (Sat Mar 17, 8:23 am)
RE: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, David Schwartz, (Sat Mar 17, 1:31 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Mar 17, 8:28 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Con Kolivas, (Sat Mar 17, 8:43 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Bill Davidsen, (Sat Mar 17, 10:13 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Mar 18, 1:37 am)
Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, jos poortvliet, (Sun Mar 18, 6:58 am)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Kasper Sandberg, (Sat Mar 17, 11:20 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Mar 17, 12:34 pm)
Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, Bill Davidsen, (Sat Mar 17, 11:23 pm)
Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?, jos poortvliet, (Sat Mar 17, 8:15 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 5:58 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mark Lord, (Mon Mar 19, 12:03 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Al Boldi, (Sat Mar 17, 4:55 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mark Lord, (Mon Mar 19, 12:07 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Al Boldi, (Mon Mar 19, 4:53 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Artur Skawina, (Tue Mar 20, 3:50 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Al Boldi, (Wed Mar 21, 12:15 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Artur Skawina, (Wed Mar 21, 1:24 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Xavier Bestel, (Mon Mar 19, 12:26 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mark Lord, (Mon Mar 19, 12:36 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Xavier Bestel, (Mon Mar 19, 12:43 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Mar 19, 11:11 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mark Lord, (Tue Mar 20, 9:22 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Ray Lee, (Tue Mar 20, 11:16 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Kasper Sandberg, (Wed Mar 21, 4:55 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mark Lord, (Tue Mar 20, 11:20 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, jos poortvliet, (Tue Mar 20, 6:26 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Willy Tarreau, (Tue Mar 20, 2:11 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Mar 20, 11:31 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Bill Davidsen, (Wed Mar 28, 7:43 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Keith Duthie, (Wed Mar 21, 4:22 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Al Boldi, (Tue Mar 20, 2:08 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Xavier Bestel, (Tue Mar 20, 5:03 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Mar 21, 3:50 am)
RE: RSDL v0.31, David Schwartz, (Wed Mar 21, 6:43 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Bill Davidsen, (Wed Mar 28, 7:37 pm)
RE: RSDL v0.31, David Schwartz, (Thu Mar 29, 3:10 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Nick Piggin, (Thu Mar 29, 3:34 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Artur Skawina, (Tue Mar 20, 8:31 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Artur Skawina, (Tue Mar 20, 3:16 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Mar 20, 4:03 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Wed Mar 21, 10:57 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Peter Zijlstra, (Wed Mar 21, 12:02 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Mar 22, 3:07 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Con Kolivas, (Thu Mar 22, 6:50 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Fri Mar 23, 12:39 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Con Kolivas, (Fri Mar 23, 1:59 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Fri Mar 23, 8:17 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Fri Mar 23, 2:11 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Mar 22, 5:18 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Con Kolivas, (Thu Mar 22, 6:03 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Mar 22, 5:34 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Mar 22, 5:41 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Wed Mar 21, 1:06 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Mar 18, 2:17 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Kasper Sandberg, (Sun Mar 18, 2:47 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Mar 18, 3:08 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Radoslaw Szkodzinski, (Sun Mar 18, 3:22 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Mar 18, 3:38 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Radoslaw Szkodzinski, (Sun Mar 18, 11:44 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, jos poortvliet, (Sun Mar 18, 12:09 pm)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Kasper Sandberg, (Sun Mar 18, 5:57 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Bill Davidsen, (Mon Mar 19, 4:47 pm)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Kasper Sandberg, (Wed Mar 21, 4:58 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, jos poortvliet, (Tue Mar 20, 6:19 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Avuton Olrich, (Sun Mar 18, 9:57 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, jimmy bahuleyan, (Sun Mar 18, 4:20 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Mar 18, 4:34 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Mar 18, 4:04 am)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, michael chang, (Sat Mar 17, 9:58 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 6:49 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Gene Heskett, (Sat Mar 17, 8:05 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 9:36 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Gene Heskett, (Sat Mar 17, 1:03 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 1:37 pm)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Kacper Wysocki, (Sat Mar 17, 2:23 pm)
Re: [ck] Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 2:45 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Nicholas Miell, (Sat Mar 17, 4:23 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 3:11 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Gene Heskett, (Sat Mar 17, 7:48 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, William Lee Irwin III, (Sat Mar 17, 3:25 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Nicholas Miell, (Sat Mar 17, 3:29 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Mar 17, 2:08 am)
RE: RSDL v0.31, David Schwartz, (Sun Mar 18, 10:27 pm)
RE: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Mon Mar 19, 2:21 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Willy Tarreau, (Mon Mar 19, 2:59 am)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Lee Revell, (Sun Mar 18, 3:37 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Szonyi Calin, (Sun Mar 18, 6:45 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Mar 18, 3:55 pm)
Re: RSDL v0.31, Ed Tomlinson, (Sat Mar 17, 9:56 am)
Re: RSDL development plans, Mike Galbraith, (Fri Mar 16, 9:42 am)
Re: RSDL development plans, Con Kolivas, (Fri Mar 16, 9:59 am)
Re: RSDL development plans, Mike Galbraith, (Fri Mar 16, 10:07 am)