Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers)

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To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@...>, Christoph Lameter <clameter@...>, Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...>, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...>, LKML <linux-kernel@...>, Andrew Morton <akpm@...>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@...>, Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@...>
Date: Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 3:29 pm

* Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:


here's some silly statistics about allocator coverage on lkml, based on 
configs reported to lkml in the past 4 months:

  $ for N in SLAB SLUB SLOB; do printf "%s: " $N; grep ^CONFIG_$N=y linux-kernel | wc -l; done
  SLAB: 70
  SLUB: 77
  SLOB: 4

so SLUB and SLAB is utilized about equally amongst people who reported 
configs to lkml.

But people who use SLUB enabled it intentionally - and they are thus 
much less likely to complain about this choice of them.

Reporting:

 "I just enabled SLUB instead of SLAB, and hey guys, it does not have 
  SLABinfo"

has a foolish ring to it, doesnt it? I'd rather ask carefully, like this 
person did:

  http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-kernel/2007/10/12/335765

This is one of the reasons why i think the whole SLAB->SLUB renaming was 
bad - we should have done SLAB2 or SLAB^2 instead, so that people expect 
_at least as good_ behavior (performance, features, etc.) from SLUB as 
from SLAB. Instead of "something different".

anyway ... i think we still generally suck _alot_ at providing 
near-transparent kernel upgrades to users. (kernel upgrades are still a 
pain and risk, and often just due to poor developer choices on our 
side.)

It's nowhere near as bad as the 2.4->2.6 transition was (in fact it 
shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence), and it's getting 
better gradually, but i think we should just by default be 10 times more 
careful about these things - whenever it is borderline technically sane 
to do so. We induce enough unintentional breakage of user-space, we 
shouldnt compound it with intentional breakages. The kernel community 
still has _a lot_ of user and distro trust to win back. So being seen as 
over-cautious wont harm.

	Ingo
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Major regression on hackbench with SLUB, Steven Rostedt, (Fri Dec 7, 1:50 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Thu Dec 13, 6:22 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Fri Dec 14, 12:24 am)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Fri Dec 21, 6:22 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Fri Dec 21, 6:37 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Steven Rostedt, (Fri Dec 21, 6:52 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Linus Torvalds, (Fri Dec 21, 6:51 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Fri Dec 21, 7:54 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Fri Dec 21, 12:18 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Linus Torvalds, (Fri Dec 21, 12:44 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Fri Dec 21, 6:11 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Linus Torvalds, (Fri Dec 21, 6:49 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Peter Zijlstra, (Fri Dec 21, 6:16 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Peter Zijlstra, (Fri Dec 21, 6:17 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Fri Dec 21, 6:27 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Linus Torvalds, (Sat Dec 22, 2:01 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Linus Torvalds, (Sat Dec 22, 5:00 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Steven Rostedt, (Sat Dec 22, 8:59 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Mon Dec 24, 3:21 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Wed Dec 26, 5:31 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Steven Rostedt, (Fri Dec 28, 10:52 am)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Thu Dec 27, 1:51 am)
SLUB sysfs support, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Dec 27, 4:28 pm)
Re: SLUB sysfs support, Al Viro, (Thu Dec 27, 6:59 pm)
Re: SLUB sysfs support, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Dec 27, 7:22 pm)
Re: SLUB sysfs support, Al Viro, (Thu Dec 27, 7:54 pm)
Re: SLUB sysfs support, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Dec 27, 7:53 pm)
Re: SLUB sysfs support, Al Viro, (Thu Dec 27, 7:58 pm)
Re: SLUB sysfs support, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Dec 27, 8:02 pm)
Re: SLUB sysfs support, Al Viro, (Thu Dec 27, 8:45 pm)
Re: SLUB sysfs support, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Dec 27, 10:19 pm)
Re: SLUB sysfs support, Al Viro, (Thu Dec 27, 11:26 pm)
Re: SLUB sysfs support, Christoph Lameter, (Wed Jan 2, 4:25 pm)
[patch] slub: provide /proc/slabinfo, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Jan 1, 12:23 pm)
Re: [patch] slub: provide /proc/slabinfo, Arjan van de Ven, (Fri Jan 4, 8:27 pm)
Re: [patch] slub: provide /proc/slabinfo, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Jan 4, 8:49 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Jason L Tibbitts III, (Sat Dec 22, 6:52 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Alessandro Suardi, (Sun Dec 23, 11:59 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Ingo Molnar, (Sat Dec 22, 3:29 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Alexey Dobriyan, (Sat Dec 22, 9:01 am)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Fri Dec 21, 7:51 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Mon Dec 24, 3:24 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Fri Dec 21, 12:26 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Fri Dec 21, 5:56 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Steven Rostedt, (Fri Dec 14, 2:15 am)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Dec 7, 1:59 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Dec 7, 2:36 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Dec 13, 6:11 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB, Steven Rostedt, (Sat Dec 8, 8:28 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB, Steven Rostedt, (Sat Dec 8, 6:16 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB, Björn, (Mon Dec 10, 3:38 am)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB, Steven Rostedt, (Mon Dec 10, 10:00 am)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB, Steven Rostedt, (Fri Dec 7, 2:58 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB, Ingo Molnar, (Fri Dec 7, 1:55 pm)