Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers)

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To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@...>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@...>, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...>, LKML <linux-kernel@...>, Andrew Morton <akpm@...>, Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@...>, Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@...>
Date: Friday, December 21, 2007 - 6:49 pm

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, Christoph Lameter wrote:

No. If there are 6% performance regressions on TPC-C, then it CAN NOT 
replace it!


No.

Christoph, statements like this is *exactly* why I don't think SLUB can 
make it.

You're closing your eyes to real performace *regression* reports, and then 
you claim thast SLUB is faster, because you find your own microbenchmarks 
that show so for specific loads.

But those specific loads are apparetly never the issue.

So stop saying that SLUB is "much faster", as long as hackbench shows that 
that is simply NOT THE CASE.

It doesn't matter one whit if SLUB is lots faster, if it's faster for 
cases that never matter. So far, I don't think we've *ever* seen any 
actual benchmarks that involve any kind of real use where SLUB is 
really faster, and we have some major examples of SLUB being disastrously 
slower!

Your special-case kmalloc performance tests don't matter, when real user 
programs show the exact opposite effect.

And the fact that you dismiss those real user programs just because you 
have your own test harness is why I'm ready to throw in the towel on SLUB. 

I don't mind performance regressions, but I *do* mind performance 
regressions when the main author then says "look, a helicopter!" and 
points to some totally different thing and claims that the performance 
regression doesn't even exist!

Because those kinds of performance regressions never get fixed, because 
they are ignored.

		Linus
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Major regression on hackbench with SLUB, Steven Rostedt, (Fri Dec 7, 1:50 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Thu Dec 13, 6:22 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Fri Dec 14, 12:24 am)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Fri Dec 21, 6:22 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Fri Dec 21, 6:37 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Steven Rostedt, (Fri Dec 21, 6:52 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Linus Torvalds, (Fri Dec 21, 6:51 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Fri Dec 21, 7:54 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Fri Dec 21, 12:18 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Linus Torvalds, (Fri Dec 21, 12:44 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Fri Dec 21, 6:11 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Linus Torvalds, (Fri Dec 21, 6:49 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Peter Zijlstra, (Fri Dec 21, 6:16 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Peter Zijlstra, (Fri Dec 21, 6:17 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Fri Dec 21, 6:27 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Linus Torvalds, (Sat Dec 22, 2:01 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Linus Torvalds, (Sat Dec 22, 5:00 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Steven Rostedt, (Sat Dec 22, 8:59 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Mon Dec 24, 3:21 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Wed Dec 26, 5:31 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Steven Rostedt, (Fri Dec 28, 10:52 am)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Thu Dec 27, 1:51 am)
SLUB sysfs support, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Dec 27, 4:28 pm)
Re: SLUB sysfs support, Al Viro, (Thu Dec 27, 6:59 pm)
Re: SLUB sysfs support, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Dec 27, 7:22 pm)
Re: SLUB sysfs support, Al Viro, (Thu Dec 27, 7:54 pm)
Re: SLUB sysfs support, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Dec 27, 7:53 pm)
Re: SLUB sysfs support, Al Viro, (Thu Dec 27, 7:58 pm)
Re: SLUB sysfs support, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Dec 27, 8:02 pm)
Re: SLUB sysfs support, Al Viro, (Thu Dec 27, 8:45 pm)
Re: SLUB sysfs support, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Dec 27, 10:19 pm)
Re: SLUB sysfs support, Al Viro, (Thu Dec 27, 11:26 pm)
Re: SLUB sysfs support, Christoph Lameter, (Wed Jan 2, 4:25 pm)
[patch] slub: provide /proc/slabinfo, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Jan 1, 12:23 pm)
Re: [patch] slub: provide /proc/slabinfo, Arjan van de Ven, (Fri Jan 4, 8:27 pm)
Re: [patch] slub: provide /proc/slabinfo, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Jan 4, 8:49 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Jason L Tibbitts III, (Sat Dec 22, 6:52 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Alessandro Suardi, (Sun Dec 23, 11:59 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Alexey Dobriyan, (Sat Dec 22, 9:01 am)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Fri Dec 21, 7:51 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Mon Dec 24, 3:24 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Fri Dec 21, 12:26 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Christoph Lameter, (Fri Dec 21, 5:56 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB (more numbers), Steven Rostedt, (Fri Dec 14, 2:15 am)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Dec 7, 1:59 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Dec 7, 2:36 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB, Christoph Lameter, (Thu Dec 13, 6:11 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB, Steven Rostedt, (Sat Dec 8, 8:28 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB, Steven Rostedt, (Sat Dec 8, 6:16 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB, Björn, (Mon Dec 10, 3:38 am)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB, Steven Rostedt, (Mon Dec 10, 10:00 am)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB, Steven Rostedt, (Fri Dec 7, 2:58 pm)
Re: Major regression on hackbench with SLUB, Ingo Molnar, (Fri Dec 7, 1:55 pm)