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Re: RFC: outb 0x80 in inb_p, outb_p harmful on some modern AMD64 with MCP51 laptops

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To: David Newall <david@...>
Cc: H. Peter Anvin <hpa@...>, Krzysztof Halasa <khc@...>, Rene Herman <rene.herman@...>, Pavel Machek <pavel@...>, Andi Kleen <andi@...>, David P. Reed <dpreed@...>, <linux-kernel@...>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...>
Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 9:14 am

> I really *hate* the idea that access to non-present hardware is used to 

Actually its very good practice.

The LPC bus behaviour is absolutely and precisely defined. The timing of
the inb is defined in bus clocks which is perfect as the devices needing
delay are running at a fraction of busclock usually busclock/2.

Older processors did not have a high precision timer so you couldn't
calibrate loop based delays for 1uS.

Port 0x80 is used all over the place for this, not just in Linux but in a
large number of DOS programs and other PC OS's. It's even got specific
hardware support in many of the chipsets so that you can make the latched
last 0x80 write appear on the parallel port for debugging.

Alan
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Re: RFC: outb 0x80 in inb_p, outb_p harmful on some modern A..., Alan Cox, (Tue Dec 11, 9:14 am)
Re: RFC: outb 0x80 in inb_p, outb_p harmful on some modern A..., linux-os (Dick Johnson), (Tue Dec 11, 11:41 am)
More info on port 80 symptoms on MCP51 machine., David P. Reed, (Wed Dec 12, 4:07 pm)
Re: More info on port 80 symptoms on MCP51 machine., Rene Herman, (Wed Dec 12, 4:26 pm)
Re: More info on port 80 symptoms on MCP51 machine., Rene Herman, (Wed Dec 12, 4:58 pm)
Re: More info on port 80 symptoms on MCP51 machine., H. Peter Anvin, (Wed Dec 12, 5:05 pm)
Re: More info on port 80 symptoms on MCP51 machine., Chuck Ebbert, (Fri Dec 14, 6:05 pm)
Re: More info on port 80 symptoms on MCP51 machine., Rene Herman, (Sat Dec 15, 3:22 am)
Re: More info on port 80 symptoms on MCP51 machine., H. Peter Anvin, (Wed Dec 12, 5:12 pm)
RE: More info on port 80 symptoms on MCP51 machine., Allen Martin, (Sat Dec 15, 6:34 pm)
Re: More info on port 80 symptoms on MCP51 machine., H. Peter Anvin, (Sat Dec 15, 6:46 pm)
Re: More info on port 80 symptoms on MCP51 machine., David P. Reed, (Wed Dec 12, 4:37 pm)
Re: RFC: outb 0x80 in inb_p, outb_p harmful on some modern A..., linux-os (Dick Johnson), (Tue Dec 11, 4:27 pm)
Re: RFC: outb 0x80 in inb_p, outb_p harmful on some modern A..., linux-os (Dick Johnson), (Wed Dec 12, 9:11 am)
Attitude problems., David P. Reed, (Wed Dec 12, 3:42 pm)
Re: Attitude problems., linux-os (Dick Johnson), (Wed Dec 12, 4:31 pm)
Re: Attitude problems., linux-os (Dick Johnson), (Fri Dec 14, 12:01 pm)
Re: RFC: outb 0x80 in inb_p, outb_p harmful on some modern A..., Dr. David Alan Gilbert, (Sun Dec 9, 9:41 am)
Re: RFC: outb 0x80 in inb_p, outb_p harmful on some modern A..., Lennart Sorensen, (Tue Dec 11, 11:14 am)
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