Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

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Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 9:11 pm

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:52:17 -0500
Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@redhat.com> wrote:


Why does the kernel have very few useful tests?
 Lack of interest? resources? expertise?
Ideally each new feature would just be a small add on to an existing test.

Unlike developing new features which seems to grow well with more developers.
Bug fixing also seems to be a scarcity process. There often seems to be
a very few people that understand the problem well enough or have the necessary
hardware to reproduce and fix the problem.

Recent changes like tickless and scheduler rework were well thought out and caused
very little impact to 90% of the users. The problem is the 10% who do have problems.
Worse, the developers often only hear about the a small sample of those.

-- 
Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@linux-foundation.org>
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[BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Natalie Protasevich, (Tue Nov 13, 2:42 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 7:15 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Jiri Kosina, (Wed Nov 14, 8:46 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz..., (Tue Nov 13, 11:21 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 9:58 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Thomas Gleixner, (Tue Nov 13, 12:07 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 1:54 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Thomas Gleixner, (Tue Nov 13, 6:46 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 7:37 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 1:47 pm)
[BUG] Strange 1-second pauses during Resume-from-RAM, Mark Lord, (Thu Nov 15, 12:32 pm)
Re: [BUG] Strange 1-second pauses during Resume-from-RAM, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu Nov 15, 4:27 pm)
Re: [BUG] Strange 1-second pauses during Resume-from-RAM, Mike Galbraith, (Fri Nov 16, 7:53 am)
[patch] snd hda suspend latency: shorten codec read, Ingo Molnar, (Fri Nov 16, 8:58 am)
Re: [patch] snd hda suspend latency: shorten codec read, Takashi Iwai, (Fri Nov 16, 10:21 am)
Re: [patch] snd hda suspend latency: shorten codec read, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Fri Nov 16, 9:31 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Tue Nov 13, 2:10 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Alan Cox, (Tue Nov 13, 2:25 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Tue Nov 13, 6:34 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ben Dooks, (Thu Nov 15, 4:16 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 10:18 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Thomas Gleixner, (Tue Nov 13, 12:08 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Pavel Machek, (Wed Nov 14, 9:24 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Fabio Comolli, (Wed Nov 14, 10:14 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Wed Nov 14, 3:52 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Tue Nov 13, 2:04 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Jan Kara, (Tue Nov 13, 1:49 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Alan Cox, (Tue Nov 13, 11:36 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Jarek Poplawski, (Tue Nov 13, 7:47 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Evgeniy Polyakov, (Tue Nov 13, 7:33 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Jens Axboe, (Tue Nov 13, 7:24 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Tue Nov 13, 7:39 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 7:49 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Tue Nov 13, 7:58 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 8:12 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Nov 13, 9:40 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 10:08 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Giacomo A. Catenazzi, (Tue Nov 13, 11:24 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ray Lee, (Tue Nov 13, 11:57 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 1:01 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Romano Giannetti, (Tue Nov 13, 1:50 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Frans Pop, (Tue Nov 13, 6:03 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Benoit Boissinot, (Tue Nov 13, 11:52 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Theodore Tso, (Tue Nov 13, 1:13 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Daniel Barkalow, (Wed Nov 14, 7:23 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Theodore Tso, (Thu Nov 15, 11:30 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Daniel Barkalow, (Thu Nov 15, 12:19 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Romano Giannetti, (Fri Nov 16, 4:20 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Daniel Barkalow, (Fri Nov 16, 2:20 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Theodore Tso, (Fri Nov 16, 3:46 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Nov 17, 8:20 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Theodore Tso, (Sun Nov 18, 2:01 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Larry Finger, (Tue Nov 13, 1:33 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Theodore Tso, (Tue Nov 13, 2:55 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Larry Finger, (Tue Nov 13, 4:07 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 1:56 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Jan Evert van Grootheest, (Wed Nov 14, 12:55 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Gabriel C, (Tue Nov 13, 2:57 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Nov 13, 8:41 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Nov 13, 8:39 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Nov 14, 3:27 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Denys Vlasenko, (Wed Nov 14, 3:46 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Kok, Auke, (Wed Nov 14, 2:27 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Matthew Wilcox, (Wed Nov 14, 9:30 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Hannes Reinecke, (Wed Nov 14, 9:35 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Denys Vlasenko, (Wed Nov 14, 5:39 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Gabriel C, (Wed Nov 14, 5:58 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Alan Cox, (Tue Nov 13, 1:30 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Nov 13, 12:49 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Tue Nov 13, 3:37 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 4:18 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Tue Nov 13, 7:40 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Tue Nov 13, 9:56 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Jörn, (Tue Nov 13, 5:33 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 6:29 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 5:56 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Jörn, (Tue Nov 13, 6:24 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 6:43 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Nov 13, 8:34 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Nov 13, 12:46 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 1:50 pm)
size of git repository (was Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs), Pavel Machek, (Sun Nov 18, 8:44 am)
Re: size of git repository (was Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs), Willy Tarreau, (Mon Nov 19, 12:43 am)
Re: size of git repository (was Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs), James Bottomley, (Sun Nov 18, 10:35 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue Nov 13, 2:39 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 2:43 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue Nov 13, 2:49 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 2:54 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Nov 14, 10:30 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Larry Finger, (Wed Nov 14, 10:49 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Tue Nov 13, 6:09 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 2:12 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 2:18 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 2:36 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 2:47 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 3:04 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 3:26 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 4:00 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 4:13 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 5:20 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Alan Cox, (Tue Nov 13, 5:12 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Chuck Ebbert, (Tue Nov 13, 8:52 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Stephen Hemminger, (Tue Nov 13, 9:11 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 10:10 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 3:12 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 3:30 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Tue Nov 13, 3:46 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 4:04 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Tue Nov 13, 9:10 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Peter Stuge, (Tue Nov 13, 9:18 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Nov 13, 2:17 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Randy Dunlap, (Tue Nov 13, 12:55 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Nov 14, 10:08 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Randy Dunlap, (Wed Nov 14, 1:38 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Nov 14, 4:16 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Randy Dunlap, (Wed Nov 14, 4:29 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Nov 14, 4:37 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Randy Dunlap, (Wed Nov 14, 5:05 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, J. Bruce Fields, (Wed Nov 14, 2:23 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 3:56 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Nov 14, 4:48 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, , (Wed Nov 14, 5:05 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, James Bottomley, (Wed Nov 14, 4:09 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Nov 14, 4:54 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Tue Nov 13, 8:32 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Tue Nov 13, 3:32 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 4:13 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Tue Nov 13, 7:29 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 7:38 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 4:52 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Tue Nov 13, 6:18 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Sam Ravnborg, (Wed Nov 14, 1:56 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Sam Ravnborg, (Wed Nov 14, 1:59 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 2:13 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 6:32 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Tue Nov 13, 7:09 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 7:17 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Tue Nov 13, 9:55 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Wed Nov 14, 5:55 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 6:07 am)
Use *poof* for linux-omap (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs), Tony Lindgren, (Fri Nov 16, 6:16 pm)
Re: Use *poof* for linux-omap, David Miller, (Fri Nov 16, 8:45 pm)
Re: Use *poof* for linux-omap, Tony Lindgren, (Sun Nov 18, 4:01 pm)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Rene Herman, (Wed Nov 14, 7:46 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Bron Gondwana, (Thu Nov 15, 12:16 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Rene Herman, (Thu Nov 15, 1:59 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Olivier Galibert, (Thu Nov 15, 9:17 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Takashi Iwai, (Thu Nov 15, 5:34 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Bron Gondwana, (Thu Nov 15, 8:02 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Rene Herman, (Thu Nov 15, 8:26 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Jörn, (Thu Nov 15, 9:00 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Rene Herman, (Thu Nov 15, 10:29 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 7:56 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Rene Herman, (Wed Nov 14, 8:09 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 8:01 am)
Moderated list (Was: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs), Takashi Iwai, (Wed Nov 14, 4:25 am)
Re: Moderated list (Was: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs), Rene Herman, (Wed Nov 14, 8:21 am)
Re: Moderated list (Was: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs), Takashi Iwai, (Wed Nov 14, 5:47 am)
Re: Moderated list, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 7:23 pm)
Re: Moderated list, Rene Herman, (Thu Nov 15, 2:09 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Rene Herman, (Wed Nov 14, 8:12 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Wed Nov 14, 3:44 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 10:27 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Wed Nov 14, 4:30 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Tue Nov 13, 11:47 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 3:02 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Christian Kujau, (Tue Nov 13, 4:00 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 5:04 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Christian Kujau, (Tue Nov 13, 5:56 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Bron Gondwana, (Thu Nov 15, 12:07 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 15, 12:24 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Bron Gondwana, (Thu Nov 15, 1:25 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 15, 1:35 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 15, 1:53 am)
[PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option, Bron Gondwana, (Wed Nov 21, 11:42 pm)
Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 27, 12:54 am)
Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option, Bron Gondwana, (Tue Nov 27, 1:24 am)
Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 27, 1:53 am)
Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Nov 26, 1:53 pm)
Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option, Bron Gondwana, (Mon Nov 26, 9:30 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Nick Piggin, (Tue Nov 13, 12:56 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 14, 3:54 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Heikki Orsila, (Wed Nov 14, 6:22 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 14, 7:05 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 5:37 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, James Bottomley, (Tue Nov 13, 11:33 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Martin Bligh, (Tue Nov 13, 1:46 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 2:47 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 1:07 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Randy Dunlap, (Tue Nov 13, 12:43 pm)