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From: Jörn
Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 2:33 pm

On Tue, 13 November 2007 15:18:07 -0500, Mark Lord wrote:

Given a decent bug report, I agree that having the bug not looked at is
shameful.  But what can a developer do if a bug report effectively reads
"there is some bug somewhere in recent kernels"?  How can I know that in
this particular case it is my bug that I introduced?  It could just as
easily be 50 other people and none of them are eager to debug it unless
they suspect it to be their bug.

This is a common problem and fairly unrelated to linux in general or the
kernel in particular.  Who is going to be the sucker that figures out
which developer the bug belongs to?  And I have yet to find a project,
commercial or opensource, where volunteers flock to become such a
sucker.

One option is to push this role to the bug reporter.  Another is to
strong-arm some developers into this role, by whatever means.  A third
would be for $LARGE_COMPANY to hire some people.  If you have a better
idea or would volunteer your time, I'd be grateful.  Simply blaming one
side, whether bug reporter or a random developer, for not being the
sucker doesn't help anyone.

Jörn

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[BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Natalie Protasevich, (Mon Nov 12, 11:42 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 4:15 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Jens Axboe, (Tue Nov 13, 4:24 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Evgeniy Polyakov, (Tue Nov 13, 4:33 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Tue Nov 13, 4:39 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Jarek Poplawski, (Tue Nov 13, 4:47 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 4:49 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Tue Nov 13, 4:58 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 5:12 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Tue Nov 13, 5:32 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Nov 13, 6:40 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 6:58 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 7:08 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 7:18 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Bartlomiej Zolnierki ..., (Tue Nov 13, 8:21 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Giacomo A. Catenazzi, (Tue Nov 13, 8:24 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, James Bottomley, (Tue Nov 13, 8:33 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Alan Cox, (Tue Nov 13, 8:36 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Benoit Boissinot, (Tue Nov 13, 8:52 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ray Lee, (Tue Nov 13, 8:57 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Thomas Gleixner, (Tue Nov 13, 9:07 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Thomas Gleixner, (Tue Nov 13, 9:08 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Randy Dunlap, (Tue Nov 13, 9:43 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Nov 13, 9:46 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Nov 13, 9:49 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Randy Dunlap, (Tue Nov 13, 9:55 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Nick Piggin, (Tue Nov 13, 9:56 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 10:01 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Theodore Tso, (Tue Nov 13, 10:13 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Alan Cox, (Tue Nov 13, 10:30 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Larry Finger, (Tue Nov 13, 10:33 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Martin Bligh, (Tue Nov 13, 10:46 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 10:47 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Jan Kara, (Tue Nov 13, 10:49 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 10:50 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Romano Giannetti, (Tue Nov 13, 10:50 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 10:54 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 10:56 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Tue Nov 13, 11:04 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Tue Nov 13, 11:10 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 11:12 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Nov 13, 11:17 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 11:18 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Alan Cox, (Tue Nov 13, 11:25 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 11:36 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue Nov 13, 11:39 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 11:43 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 11:47 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 11:47 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue Nov 13, 11:49 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 11:54 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Theodore Tso, (Tue Nov 13, 11:55 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Gabriel C, (Tue Nov 13, 11:57 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 12:02 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 12:04 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 12:12 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 12:26 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 12:30 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Tue Nov 13, 12:32 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Tue Nov 13, 12:37 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Tue Nov 13, 12:46 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 1:00 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Christian Kujau, (Tue Nov 13, 1:00 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 1:04 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Larry Finger, (Tue Nov 13, 1:07 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 1:13 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 1:13 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 1:18 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 1:52 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 2:04 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Alan Cox, (Tue Nov 13, 2:12 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 2:20 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Jörn, (Tue Nov 13, 2:33 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Tue Nov 13, 2:37 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Christian Kujau, (Tue Nov 13, 2:56 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 2:56 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Frans Pop, (Tue Nov 13, 3:03 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Tue Nov 13, 3:09 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Tue Nov 13, 3:18 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Jörn, (Tue Nov 13, 3:24 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 3:29 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 3:32 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Tue Nov 13, 3:34 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 3:43 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Thomas Gleixner, (Tue Nov 13, 3:46 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Tue Nov 13, 4:09 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 4:17 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Tue Nov 13, 4:29 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Mark Lord, (Tue Nov 13, 4:37 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 4:38 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Tue Nov 13, 4:40 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Nov 13, 5:34 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Nov 13, 5:39 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Denys Vlasenko, (Tue Nov 13, 5:41 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Chuck Ebbert, (Tue Nov 13, 5:52 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Tue Nov 13, 6:10 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Stephen Hemminger, (Tue Nov 13, 6:11 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Peter Stuge, (Tue Nov 13, 6:18 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Tue Nov 13, 6:55 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Tue Nov 13, 6:56 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 7:10 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 7:27 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Tue Nov 13, 8:47 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Tue Nov 13, 10:07 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Sam Ravnborg, (Tue Nov 13, 10:56 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Sam Ravnborg, (Tue Nov 13, 10:59 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Tue Nov 13, 11:13 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Wed Nov 14, 12:27 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Denys Vlasenko, (Wed Nov 14, 12:46 am)
Moderated list (Was: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs), Takashi Iwai, (Wed Nov 14, 1:25 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Wed Nov 14, 1:30 am)
Re: Moderated list (Was: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs), Takashi Iwai, (Wed Nov 14, 2:47 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Wed Nov 14, 2:55 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 3:07 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Rene Herman, (Wed Nov 14, 4:46 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 4:56 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 5:01 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Rene Herman, (Wed Nov 14, 5:09 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Rene Herman, (Wed Nov 14, 5:12 am)
Re: Moderated list (Was: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs), Rene Herman, (Wed Nov 14, 5:21 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Jiri Kosina, (Wed Nov 14, 5:46 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Pavel Machek, (Wed Nov 14, 6:24 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Matthew Wilcox, (Wed Nov 14, 6:30 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Hannes Reinecke, (Wed Nov 14, 6:35 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Nov 14, 7:08 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Fabio Comolli, (Wed Nov 14, 7:14 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Nov 14, 7:30 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Larry Finger, (Wed Nov 14, 7:49 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Jan Evert van Grootheest, (Wed Nov 14, 9:55 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Randy Dunlap, (Wed Nov 14, 10:38 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, J. Bruce Fields, (Wed Nov 14, 11:23 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Kok, Auke, (Wed Nov 14, 11:27 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Russell King, (Wed Nov 14, 12:52 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 14, 12:54 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 12:56 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, James Bottomley, (Wed Nov 14, 1:09 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Nov 14, 1:16 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Randy Dunlap, (Wed Nov 14, 1:29 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Nov 14, 1:37 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Nov 14, 1:48 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Nov 14, 1:54 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, david, (Wed Nov 14, 2:05 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Denys Vlasenko, (Wed Nov 14, 2:39 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Gabriel C, (Wed Nov 14, 2:58 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Heikki Orsila, (Wed Nov 14, 3:22 pm)
Re: Moderated list, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 4:23 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Daniel Barkalow, (Wed Nov 14, 4:23 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Bron Gondwana, (Wed Nov 14, 9:07 pm)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Bron Gondwana, (Wed Nov 14, 9:16 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 14, 9:24 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Bron Gondwana, (Wed Nov 14, 10:25 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 14, 10:35 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 14, 10:53 pm)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Rene Herman, (Wed Nov 14, 10:59 pm)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Takashi Iwai, (Thu Nov 15, 2:34 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Bron Gondwana, (Thu Nov 15, 5:02 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Rene Herman, (Thu Nov 15, 5:26 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Jörn, (Thu Nov 15, 6:00 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Olivier Galibert, (Thu Nov 15, 6:17 am)
Re: [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Rene Herman, (Thu Nov 15, 7:29 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Daniel Barkalow, (Thu Nov 15, 9:19 am)
Re: [BUG] Strange 1-second pauses during Resume-from-RAM, Pavel Machek, (Thu Nov 15, 11:14 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Ben Dooks, (Thu Nov 15, 1:16 pm)
Re: [BUG] Strange 1-second pauses during Resume-from-RAM, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu Nov 15, 1:27 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Romano Giannetti, (Fri Nov 16, 1:20 am)
Re: [BUG] Strange 1-second pauses during Resume-from-RAM, Mike Galbraith, (Fri Nov 16, 4:53 am)
[patch] snd hda suspend latency: shorten codec read, Ingo Molnar, (Fri Nov 16, 5:58 am)
Re: [patch] snd hda suspend latency: shorten codec read, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Fri Nov 16, 6:31 am)
Re: [patch] snd hda suspend latency: shorten codec read, Takashi Iwai, (Fri Nov 16, 7:21 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Daniel Barkalow, (Fri Nov 16, 11:20 am)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Theodore Tso, (Fri Nov 16, 12:46 pm)
Use *poof* for linux-omap (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs), Tony Lindgren, (Fri Nov 16, 3:16 pm)
Re: Use *poof* for linux-omap, David Miller, (Fri Nov 16, 5:45 pm)
Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs, Adrian Bunk, (Sat Nov 17, 5:20 am)
Re: size of git repository (was Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs), James Bottomley, (Sun Nov 18, 7:35 am)
Re: Use *poof* for linux-omap, Tony Lindgren, (Sun Nov 18, 1:01 pm)
[PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option, Bron Gondwana, (Wed Nov 21, 8:42 pm)
Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Nov 26, 10:53 am)
Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option, Bron Gondwana, (Mon Nov 26, 6:30 pm)
Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option, Andrew Morton, (Mon Nov 26, 9:54 pm)
Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option, Bron Gondwana, (Mon Nov 26, 10:24 pm)
Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option, Andrew Morton, (Mon Nov 26, 10:53 pm)