Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news

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To: Greg KH <gregkh@...>
Cc: Philip Mucci <mucci@...>, <eranian@...>, William Cohen <wcohen@...>, Robert Richter <robert.richter@...>, <linux-kernel@...>, Perfmon <perfmon@...>, Andi Kleen <andi@...>, <perfmon2-devel@...>, OSPAT devel <ospat-devel@...>, papi list <ptools-perfapi@...>
Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 4:07 pm

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:59:24 -0800 Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de> wrote:


Well...  Philip is (I assume) a numerical-computing guy and not a
kernel-developing guy (probably a wise choice).

He speaks for quite a few people - they have serious need for this feature
but they've had to scruff around with out-of-tree patches for years to get
it, and still there are problems.

I was hoping that after the round of release-and-review which Stephane,
Andi and I did about twelve months ago that we were on track to merge the
perfmon codebase as-offered.  But now it turns out that the sentiment is
that the code simply has too many bells-and-whistles to be acceptable.

My problem with that sentiment is that it is quite likely the case that
those bells-n-whistles are actually useful and needed features.  Perfmon
has been out there for quite a few years and the code which is in there
_should_ be in response to real-world in-the-field experience.  Such
requirements never go away.


So.  If what I am saying is correct then the best course of action would be
for Stephane to help us all to understand what these features are and why
we need them.  The ideal way in which to do this is

[patch] perfmon: core
[patch] perfmon: whizzy feature #1
[patch] perfmon: whizzy feature #2
[patch] perfmon: whizzy feature #3

etc.  Where the changelog in each whizzy-feature-n explains what it does,
why it does it and why our users need it.

Whatever happens, perfmon is so big and so old and has been out-of-tree for
so long that it's going to take a pile of work from lots of people to get
any of it landed.

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[PATCH] fix up perfmon to build on -mm, Greg KH, (Tue Nov 6, 8:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH] fix up perfmon to build on -mm, Andrew Morton, (Fri Nov 9, 4:06 pm)
Re: [PATCH] fix up perfmon to build on -mm, Greg KH, (Fri Nov 9, 5:38 pm)
Re: [PATCH] fix up perfmon to build on -mm, Andi Kleen, (Sat Nov 10, 4:32 pm)
perfmon2 merge news, Robert Richter, (Tue Nov 13, 11:17 am)
Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, William Cohen, (Tue Nov 13, 11:35 am)
Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Andi Kleen, (Tue Nov 13, 4:42 pm)
Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Tue Nov 13, 1:55 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Philip Mucci, (Tue Nov 13, 2:47 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Christoph Hellwig, (Tue Nov 13, 6:27 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Greg KH, (Tue Nov 13, 2:59 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Tue Nov 13, 5:33 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Greg KH, (Tue Nov 13, 5:45 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Andrew Morton, (Tue Nov 13, 4:07 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Paul Mackerras, (Wed Nov 14, 3:24 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Christoph Hellwig, (Wed Nov 14, 6:38 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Paul Mackerras, (Wed Nov 14, 6:43 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Christoph Hellwig, (Wed Nov 14, 7:00 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Andi Kleen, (Wed Nov 14, 8:38 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, dean gaudet, (Thu Nov 15, 12:20 am)
RE: [perfmon2] [perfmon] Re: perfmon2 merge news, Dan Terpstra, (Thu Nov 15, 1:01 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Thu Nov 15, 4:53 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Paul Mackerras, (Thu Nov 15, 12:47 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, dean gaudet, (Thu Nov 15, 1:14 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 3:48 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Wed Nov 14, 10:13 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Andi Kleen, (Wed Nov 14, 10:26 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Paul Mackerras, (Wed Nov 14, 8:23 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Paul Mackerras, (Wed Nov 14, 7:39 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Wed Nov 14, 9:47 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 7:52 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 7:12 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Paul Mackerras, (Wed Nov 14, 7:44 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Wed Nov 14, 9:51 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 7:52 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Paul Mackerras, (Wed Nov 14, 8:03 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 8:07 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Paul Mackerras, (Wed Nov 14, 5:50 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 7:03 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Paul Mackerras, (Wed Nov 14, 7:12 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 7:21 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Paul Mackerras, (Wed Nov 14, 9:11 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Thu Nov 15, 4:29 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 9:27 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, David Miller, (Mon Nov 19, 9:08 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Paul Mackerras, (Mon Nov 19, 5:43 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Mon Nov 19, 6:48 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, David Miller, (Mon Nov 19, 8:53 pm)
Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Thu Dec 13, 12:00 pm)
Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Frank Ch. Eigler, (Fri Dec 14, 3:12 pm)
Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Fri Dec 14, 5:07 pm)
Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Frank Ch. Eigler, (Sat Dec 15, 11:54 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Mon Nov 19, 4:53 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, David Miller, (Mon Nov 19, 8:55 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Paul Mackerras, (Wed Nov 14, 10:34 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Herbert Xu, (Thu Nov 15, 3:48 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Andi Kleen, (Thu Nov 15, 4:19 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Nick Piggin, (Tue Nov 13, 8:28 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Nick Piggin, (Tue Nov 13, 7:49 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 7:58 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Nick Piggin, (Tue Nov 13, 8:25 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Paul Mackerras, (Wed Nov 14, 5:30 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Nick Piggin, (Wed Nov 14, 6:17 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Chuck Ebbert, (Wed Nov 14, 6:56 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Nick Piggin, (Wed Nov 14, 7:03 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, David Miller, (Wed Nov 14, 7:14 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Andrew Morton, (Wed Nov 14, 3:40 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Andi Kleen, (Tue Nov 13, 4:36 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Philip Mucci, (Tue Nov 13, 8:28 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Andi Kleen, (Tue Nov 13, 9:52 pm)
Re: perfmon2 merge news, Philip Mucci, (Fri Nov 16, 5:18 am)
Re: perfmon2 merge news, Andi Kleen, (Fri Nov 16, 11:15 am)
Re: perfmon2 merge news, David Miller, (Fri Nov 16, 8:15 pm)
Re: perfmon2 merge news, Philip Mucci, (Fri Nov 16, 4:16 pm)
Re: perfmon2 merge news, dean gaudet, (Fri Nov 16, 1:51 pm)
Re: perfmon2 merge news, David Miller, (Fri Nov 16, 8:29 pm)
Re: perfmon2 merge news, Greg KH, (Fri Nov 16, 9:07 pm)
Re: perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Fri Nov 16, 12:00 pm)
Re: perfmon2 merge news, Andi Kleen, (Fri Nov 16, 12:28 pm)
Re: perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Fri Nov 16, 1:36 pm)
Re: perfmon2 merge news, William Cohen, (Fri Nov 16, 1:13 pm)
Re: perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Fri Nov 16, 5:56 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Greg KH, (Tue Nov 13, 4:14 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, William Cohen, (Tue Nov 13, 2:33 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Tue Nov 13, 5:13 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Andi Kleen, (Tue Nov 13, 5:29 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Tue Nov 13, 5:46 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Andi Kleen, (Tue Nov 13, 5:50 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Tue Nov 13, 6:22 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Andi Kleen, (Tue Nov 13, 6:25 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Tue Nov 13, 6:58 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Andi Kleen, (Tue Nov 13, 10:07 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Wed Nov 14, 9:09 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Andi Kleen, (Wed Nov 14, 10:24 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Wed Nov 14, 8:07 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, William Cohen, (Wed Nov 14, 11:44 am)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Philippe Elie, (Wed Nov 14, 2:53 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Andi Kleen, (Wed Nov 14, 3:15 pm)
Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Wed Nov 14, 12:13 pm)
Re: perfmon2 merge news, Stephane Eranian, (Tue Nov 13, 2:32 pm)
Re: PMC core internal API design, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Fri Nov 16, 2:25 pm)
Re: perfmon2 merge news, Christoph Hellwig, (Tue Nov 13, 6:29 pm)
Re: [PATCH] fix up perfmon to build on -mm, Stephane Eranian, (Wed Nov 7, 9:42 am)
Re: [PATCH] fix up perfmon to build on -mm, Greg KH, (Wed Nov 7, 1:47 pm)
Re: [PATCH] fix up perfmon to build on -mm, Stephane Eranian, (Wed Nov 7, 1:57 pm)
Re: [PATCH] fix up perfmon to build on -mm, Greg KH, (Wed Nov 7, 3:53 pm)
Re: [PATCH] fix up perfmon to build on -mm, Stephane Eranian, (Thu Nov 8, 11:27 am)
Re: [PATCH] fix up perfmon to build on -mm, Stephane Eranian, (Wed Nov 7, 4:39 pm)
Re: [PATCH] fix up perfmon to build on -mm, Greg KH, (Wed Nov 7, 1:08 pm)
Re: [PATCH] fix up perfmon to build on -mm, Stephane Eranian, (Wed Nov 7, 1:50 pm)
Re: [PATCH] fix up perfmon to build on -mm, Andrew Morton, (Wed Nov 7, 1:33 pm)
Re: [PATCH] fix up perfmon to build on -mm, Greg KH, (Wed Nov 7, 1:41 pm)
Re: [PATCH] fix up perfmon to build on -mm, Stephane Eranian, (Wed Nov 7, 6:34 am)
Re: [PATCH] fix up perfmon to build on -mm, Greg KH, (Wed Nov 7, 1:07 pm)