Re: Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface)

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From: Crispin Cowan
Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 1:18 pm

Jan Engelhardt wrote:
So now you are criticizing his module. Arguing about the merits of
security semantics. This is exactly why Linus wanted LSM, so we don't
have to have these kinds of discussions, at least not on LKML :)

It seems to me that LSM used to be an open API. Anyone could code to it,
so you could at least try to ship a module that will load into a major
vendor's stock kernel for an important release.

Now with this change, it is effectively a closed API. You can only load
the modules that the distro vendor shipped to you. If you want
*anything* other than what RH or Novell or Canonical or Mandriva etc.
says you should want, then you have to hack the source code for your kernel.

Open source is great, and it is wonderful that you *can* hack the source
if you need to, but demanding that end users patch their source code
when all they want to do is load a module is really, really sad.

Please revert this patch. Its benefits are no where near its costs.

Crispin

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Re: LSM conversion to static interface, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Oct 17, 7:18 pm)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface, Andreas Gruenbacher, (Fri Oct 19, 1:26 pm)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Oct 19, 1:40 pm)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface, James Morris, (Fri Oct 19, 2:07 pm)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface, Jan Engelhardt, (Sat Oct 20, 4:05 am)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface, James Morris, (Sat Oct 20, 3:57 pm)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Oct 21, 3:59 pm)
Re: Re: LSM conversion to static interface, Crispin Cowan, (Sun Oct 21, 6:12 pm)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface [revert patch], Arjan van de Ven, (Mon Oct 22, 9:09 pm)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface [revert patch], James Morris, (Mon Oct 22, 9:56 pm)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface [revert patch], Arjan van de Ven, (Mon Oct 22, 9:57 pm)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface [revert patch], Chris Wright, (Mon Oct 22, 10:16 pm)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface, Giacomo Catenazzi, (Mon Oct 22, 10:44 pm)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface, Jan Engelhardt, (Tue Oct 23, 1:55 am)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface [revert patch], Jan Engelhardt, (Tue Oct 23, 2:10 am)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface [revert patch], Chris Wright, (Tue Oct 23, 2:13 am)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface, Jan Engelhardt, (Tue Oct 23, 2:13 am)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface [revert patch], Jan Engelhardt, (Tue Oct 23, 2:14 am)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface, Giacomo A. Catenazzi, (Tue Oct 23, 2:14 am)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface, Jan Engelhardt, (Tue Oct 23, 2:18 am)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface, Serge E. Hallyn, (Tue Oct 23, 8:20 am)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface, Jan Engelhardt, (Tue Oct 23, 8:28 am)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface, Serge E. Hallyn, (Tue Oct 23, 8:34 am)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface [revert patch], Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Tue Oct 23, 5:31 pm)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface [revert patch], Chris Wright, (Tue Oct 23, 5:32 pm)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface [revert patch], Arjan van de Ven, (Tue Oct 23, 10:06 pm)
Re: Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion ..., Crispin Cowan, (Wed Oct 24, 1:18 pm)
Re: Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion ..., Bernd Petrovitsch, (Thu Oct 25, 2:19 am)
Re: LSM conversion to static interface, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Thu Oct 25, 3:23 am)
Re: Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion ..., Arjan van de Ven, (Thu Oct 25, 10:10 am)
Re: eradicating out of tree modules, Stefan Richter, (Sat Oct 27, 10:31 am)
Re: eradicating out of tree modules, Stefan Richter, (Sun Oct 28, 2:25 am)
Re: eradicating out of tree modules, Tilman Schmidt, (Sun Oct 28, 5:01 am)
Re: eradicating out of tree modules, Stefan Richter, (Sun Oct 28, 7:37 am)
Re: eradicating out of tree modules, Simon Arlott, (Sun Oct 28, 7:59 am)
Re: eradicating out of tree modules, Tilman Schmidt, (Sun Oct 28, 9:55 am)
Re: eradicating out of tree modules, Tilman Schmidt, (Sun Oct 28, 11:51 am)
Re: eradicating out of tree modules, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Oct 28, 12:25 pm)
Re: Linux Security *Module* Framework, Tilman Schmidt, (Sun Oct 28, 12:42 pm)
Re: Linux Security *Module* Framework, Jan Engelhardt, (Sun Oct 28, 1:46 pm)
Re: Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion ..., Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Oct 28, 10:12 pm)
Re: eradicating out of tree modules, Tilman Schmidt, (Mon Oct 29, 5:29 pm)
Re: Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion ..., Bernd Petrovitsch, (Tue Oct 30, 2:41 am)
Re: eradicating out of tree modules, linux-os (Dick Johnson), (Tue Oct 30, 6:11 am)
Re: eradicating out of tree modules, Xavier Bestel, (Tue Oct 30, 6:19 am)
Re: eradicating out of tree modules, Greg KH, (Tue Oct 30, 8:30 am)