Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier

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Date: Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 10:56 am

Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> wrote:

I really don't see what the point of the barrier would be here.
Barriers are generally useless unless you have a counter-part
on the other side.

The counterpart here is presumably the interrupt handler, which
should be terminated by the IO write above regardless of the
memory barrier.

Of course I might have missed your point.  If so please give
a description like this for the race that you see:

CPU1			CPU2
disable IRQ
			whatever the race is
synchronize_irq


While in general I'd agree with you about give latitude to
drivers, memory barriers I think is something that we can't
afford to.

The reason is that memory barries tend to come in pairs, e.g.,

CPU1			CPU2
write A
wmb
write B
			read B
			rmb
			read A

Taking away either barrier would render the other useless.

So whenever we add only one barrier for the benefit of driver
writers who don't bother to think about barriers we may not
be helping them at all.

In any case, such writers should use easier tools like spin
locks rather than trying to go lockless.

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[PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Wed Oct 17, 9:25 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Maxim Levitsky, (Fri Oct 19, 10:02 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Fri Oct 19, 11:56 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Maxim Levitsky, (Sat Oct 20, 12:24 am)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Sat Oct 20, 1:04 am)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Maxim Levitsky, (Sat Oct 20, 1:36 am)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Sat Oct 20, 1:46 am)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Maxim Levitsky, (Sat Oct 20, 2:06 am)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Sat Oct 20, 2:13 am)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Herbert Xu, (Fri Oct 19, 11:37 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Oct 19, 10:25 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Sat Oct 20, 12:04 am)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Sat Oct 20, 12:09 am)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Maxim Levitsky, (Fri Oct 19, 11:10 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Sat Oct 20, 12:06 am)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Oct 17, 10:12 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Wed Oct 17, 10:40 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Herbert Xu, (Thu Oct 18, 10:35 am)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu Oct 18, 5:35 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Wed Oct 17, 10:57 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Herbert Xu, (Thu Oct 18, 10:56 am)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu Oct 18, 6:05 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Oct 18, 6:52 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu Oct 18, 7:17 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Oct 18, 7:39 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Herbert Xu, (Thu Oct 18, 10:32 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Oct 18, 10:55 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Oct 18, 11:26 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Herbert Xu, (Fri Oct 19, 12:20 am)
[NET]: Fix possible dev_deactivate race condition, Herbert Xu, (Fri Oct 19, 1:36 am)
Re: [NET]: Fix possible dev_deactivate race condition, Peter Zijlstra, (Fri Oct 19, 3:35 am)
Re: [NET]: Fix possible dev_deactivate race condition, David Miller, (Fri Oct 19, 1:38 am)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Herbert Xu, (Fri Oct 19, 12:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Fri Oct 19, 12:58 am)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Sun Oct 21, 5:10 pm)
[IRQ]: Fix synchronize_irq races with IRQ handler, Herbert Xu, (Mon Oct 22, 11:26 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Fri Oct 19, 12:35 am)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Fri Oct 19, 12:29 am)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Fri Oct 19, 12:11 am)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Fri Oct 19, 12:26 am)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Herbert Xu, (Fri Oct 19, 1:53 am)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Nick Piggin, (Thu Oct 18, 10:52 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Herbert Xu, (Thu Oct 18, 11:28 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Nick Piggin, (Fri Oct 19, 12:49 am)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Thu Oct 18, 7:52 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Andrew Morton, (Wed Oct 17, 9:45 pm)
Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Wed Oct 17, 9:55 pm)