Re: What still uses the block layer?

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From: Rob Landley
Date: Monday, October 15, 2007 - 1:36 am

On Monday 15 October 2007 1:00:15 am Greg KH wrote:

For the embedded space, the ability to configure out the scsi layer is 
interesting from a size perspective.  I bookmarked that a while back, but had 
forgotten about it.  Thanks for the reminder.

For the desktop I don't object to the scsi layer.  I object to the naming.  
Merging a half-dozen different types of devices into a single name space, and 
then warning us that the order they appear within that namespace could be the 
result of race conditions...  Seems like an artificially inflated problem to 
me.  Don't merge them together and each namespace is a smaller problem, often 
with only a single device or with a stable relationship between the devices.

(That said, the answer to my original question, "is the block layer still in 
use" seems to be yes, so creating a 00-INDEX for Documentation/block is a 
good thing, and I'll go do that.  I acknowledge that I asked this question 
_horribly_, due to having other unresolved issues with the scsi layer...)


Um, possibly I _was_ playing with the ub driver and got a /dev/ub0.  (I 
vaguely recall playing with back around...  February?  When did it wander 
across Pavel's blog...  I don't actually remember if I got it to work or 
not.)  Possibly this is from playing with a usb scanner back around 2004.  (I 
just dragged out my other USB device from that period, an ethernet dongle, 
but it doesn't create /dev anything.  Just shows up as usb2. :)

The point I was trying to make is that it seems to me like it would be 
possible to keep the namespace separate here, and thus reduce the enumeration 
problems to the point where common cases (like my laptop) aren't impacted by 
them during early boot.  I don't think anybody (outside the embedded space) 
is actually upset that /dev/hda now goes through the scsi layer:  they're 
upset Ubuntu 7.04 no longer calls it /dev/hda.


Thank you,

Rob
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What still uses the block layer?, Rob Landley, (Thu Oct 11, 6:11 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Matthew Wilcox, (Sat Oct 13, 3:05 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, David Newall, (Sat Oct 13, 10:54 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Stefan Richter, (Sun Oct 14, 10:46 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, James Bottomley, (Sun Oct 14, 3:24 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Tilman Schmidt, (Sun Oct 14, 3:35 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Rob Landley, (Sun Oct 14, 4:36 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Rob Landley, (Sun Oct 14, 4:45 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Luben Tuikov, (Sun Oct 14, 5:45 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Theodore Tso, (Sun Oct 14, 6:45 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Stefan Richter, (Sun Oct 14, 10:44 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Greg KH, (Sun Oct 14, 11:00 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Rob Landley, (Sun Oct 14, 11:51 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Rob Landley, (Mon Oct 15, 1:04 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Rob Landley, (Mon Oct 15, 1:36 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Luben Tuikov, (Mon Oct 15, 1:37 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Christoph Hellwig, (Mon Oct 15, 1:52 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Julian Calaby, (Mon Oct 15, 2:06 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Rob Landley, (Mon Oct 15, 2:26 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Rob Landley, (Mon Oct 15, 3:08 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Loïc Grenié, (Mon Oct 15, 3:32 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Alan Cox, (Mon Oct 15, 6:08 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, James Bottomley, (Mon Oct 15, 6:10 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Theodore Tso, (Mon Oct 15, 6:21 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Alan Cox, (Mon Oct 15, 6:29 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Theodore Tso, (Mon Oct 15, 6:35 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Arjan van de Ven, (Mon Oct 15, 7:00 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Douglas Gilbert, (Mon Oct 15, 7:46 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Matthew Wilcox, (Mon Oct 15, 9:08 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Stefan Richter, (Mon Oct 15, 10:10 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Greg KH, (Mon Oct 15, 10:25 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Greg KH, (Mon Oct 15, 10:33 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Jeff Garzik, (Mon Oct 15, 10:44 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Matthew Wilcox, (Mon Oct 15, 11:00 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Jeff Garzik, (Mon Oct 15, 11:46 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Matthew Garrett, (Mon Oct 15, 11:56 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Wilfried Klaebe, (Mon Oct 15, 1:29 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Rob Landley, (Mon Oct 15, 2:09 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Rob Landley, (Mon Oct 15, 2:51 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Rob Landley, (Mon Oct 15, 3:54 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, david, (Mon Oct 15, 7:51 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, david, (Mon Oct 15, 7:54 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, david, (Mon Oct 15, 8:06 pm)
Re: OOM killer gripe (was Re: What still uses the block la ..., Eric W. Biederman, (Mon Oct 15, 8:55 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Matthew Wilcox, (Mon Oct 15, 9:04 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Arjan van de Ven, (Mon Oct 15, 9:11 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, david, (Mon Oct 15, 9:15 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Greg KH, (Mon Oct 15, 9:21 pm)
Re: OOM killer gripe (was Re: What still uses the block la ..., Eric W. Biederman, (Mon Oct 15, 9:38 pm)
Re: OOM killer gripe (was Re: What still uses the block la ..., Eric W. Biederman, (Mon Oct 15, 9:45 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, david, (Mon Oct 15, 10:00 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Stefan Richter, (Mon Oct 15, 10:56 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Stefan Richter, (Mon Oct 15, 11:33 pm)
Re: OOM killer gripe (was Re: What still uses the block la ..., Eric W. Biederman, (Tue Oct 16, 2:31 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Alan Cox, (Tue Oct 16, 3:19 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue Oct 16, 12:54 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, david, (Tue Oct 16, 12:54 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Stefan Richter, (Tue Oct 16, 1:18 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Theodore Tso, (Tue Oct 16, 1:34 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, david, (Tue Oct 16, 1:55 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Stefan Richter, (Tue Oct 16, 1:56 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Alan Cox, (Tue Oct 16, 2:49 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Tue Oct 16, 10:34 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, david, (Tue Oct 16, 11:07 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Gabor Gombas, (Wed Oct 17, 2:48 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Stefan Richter, (Wed Oct 17, 10:23 am)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, david, (Wed Oct 17, 2:04 pm)
Re: What still uses the block layer?, Bill Davidsen, (Wed Oct 17, 4:43 pm)