RE: Network slowdown due to CFS

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Date: Monday, October 1, 2007 - 2:23 pm

> These are generic statements, but i'm _really_ interested in the

Maybe, maybe not. Even if so, it would be very difficult to find. Simply
grepping for sched_yield is not going to help because determining whether a
given use of sched_yield is smart is not going to be easy.


User-space spinlocks are broken so spinlocks can only be implemented in
kernel-space? Even if you use the kernel to schedule/unschedule the tasks,
you still have to spin in user-space.



You are assuming that random latencies are necessarily bad. Random latencies
may be significantly better than predictable high latency.





Thank you. Unfortunately, neither of these does what sched_yiled is really
supposed to do. Opportunistic mode does too little and agressive mode does
too much.




I don't have a problem with failing to emulate the old scheduler's behavior
if we can show that the new behavior has saner semantics. Unfortunately, in
this case, I think CFS' semantics are pretty bad. Neither of these is what
sched_yield is supposed to do.

Note that I'm not saying this is a particularly big deal. And I'm not
calling CFS' behavior a regression, since it's not really better or worse
than the old behavior, simply different.

I'm not familiar enough with CFS' internals to help much on the
implementation, but there may be some simple compromise yield that might
work well enough. How about simply acting as if the task used up its
timeslice and scheduling the next one? (Possibly with a slight reduction in
penalty or reward for not really using all the time, if possible?)

DS


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Network slowdown due to CFS, Martin Michlmayr, (Wed Sep 26, 4:52 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Mike Galbraith, (Wed Sep 26, 6:23 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Martin Michlmayr, (Wed Sep 26, 6:48 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Sep 26, 7:21 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Martin Michlmayr, (Wed Sep 26, 7:29 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 27, 5:49 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Martin Michlmayr, (Thu Sep 27, 6:54 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 27, 6:56 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Martin Michlmayr, (Thu Sep 27, 7:12 am)
RE: Network slowdown due to CFS, David Schwartz, (Wed Sep 26, 8:00 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Sep 26, 9:31 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Thu Sep 27, 5:30 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 27, 5:46 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Thu Sep 27, 8:27 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 27, 9:31 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Thu Sep 27, 10:42 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Nick Piggin, (Fri Sep 28, 2:10 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Mon Oct 1, 4:43 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Tue Oct 2, 5:26 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Mon Oct 1, 12:25 pm)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Tue Oct 2, 5:03 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Tue Oct 2, 9:39 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Chris Friesen, (Mon Oct 1, 12:55 pm)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Mon Oct 1, 1:09 pm)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Chris Friesen, (Mon Oct 1, 1:45 pm)
Re: iperf yield usage, Ingo Molnar, (Mon Oct 1, 3:09 pm)
RE: Network slowdown due to CFS, David Schwartz, (Mon Oct 1, 12:49 pm)
RE: Network slowdown due to CFS, Rusty Russell, (Wed Oct 3, 8:31 pm)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Helge Hafting, (Wed Oct 3, 7:31 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Arjan van de Ven, (Mon Oct 1, 3:53 pm)
RE: Network slowdown due to CFS, David Schwartz, (Mon Oct 1, 6:17 pm)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Arjan van de Ven, (Mon Oct 1, 6:35 pm)
RE: Network slowdown due to CFS, David Schwartz, (Mon Oct 1, 6:44 pm)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Arjan van de Ven, (Mon Oct 1, 6:55 pm)
RE: Network slowdown due to CFS, David Schwartz, (Tue Oct 2, 11:37 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Wed Oct 3, 3:15 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Mon Oct 1, 1:31 pm)
RE: Network slowdown due to CFS, David Schwartz, (Mon Oct 1, 2:23 pm)
Re: yield API, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Oct 2, 2:46 am)
Re: yield API, Jesper Juhl, (Wed Dec 12, 6:39 pm)
Re: yield API, Kyle Moffett, (Thu Dec 13, 12:43 am)
RE: yield API, David Schwartz, (Thu Dec 13, 4:10 pm)
Re: yield API, Eric St-Laurent, (Tue Oct 2, 5:57 pm)
Re: yield API, linux-os (Dick Johnson), (Tue Oct 2, 7:50 am)
Re: yield API, Douglas McNaught, (Tue Oct 2, 11:24 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Oct 2, 2:26 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Oct 2, 2:08 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Oct 2, 2:06 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Wed Oct 3, 4:02 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Oct 3, 4:16 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Wed Oct 3, 4:56 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Oct 3, 5:10 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Casey Dahlin, (Thu Oct 4, 1:33 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Wed Oct 3, 5:50 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Sun Oct 7, 3:18 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Dmitry Adamushko, (Wed Oct 3, 6:55 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Wed Oct 3, 7:40 am)
Re: yield, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Oct 3, 7:56 am)
Re: yield, Jarek Poplawski, (Wed Oct 3, 8:16 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Oct 3, 7:22 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Dmitry Adamushko, (Wed Oct 3, 6:58 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Jarek Poplawski, (Wed Oct 3, 7:20 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Andi Kleen, (Tue Oct 2, 2:47 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Stephen Hemminger, (Wed Sep 26, 11:46 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Stephen Hemminger, (Wed Sep 26, 11:40 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Mike Galbraith, (Wed Sep 26, 6:20 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Sep 26, 5:34 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Sep 26, 5:47 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Martin Michlmayr, (Wed Sep 26, 6:08 am)
Re: Network slowdown due to CFS, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Sep 26, 6:18 am)