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Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@...>, Brad Boyer <flar@...>, Anton Altaparmakov <aia21@...>, Andreas Dilger <adilger@...>, Gary Grider <ggrider@...>, <linux-fsdevel@...>
Date: Friday, December 1, 2006 - 1:26 am

On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 09:49 -0800, Sage Weil wrote:


What exactly do you mean by an "atomic readdirplus"? Standard readdir is
by its very nature weakly cached, and there is no guarantee whatsoever
even that you will see all files in the directory. See the SuSv3
definition, which explicitly states that there is no ordering w.r.t.
file creation/deletion:

        The type DIR, which is defined in the <dirent.h> header,
        represents a directory stream, which is an ordered sequence of
        all the directory entries in a particular directory. Directory
        entries represent files; files may be removed from a directory
        or added to a directory asynchronously to the operation of
        readdir().

Besides, why would your application care about atomicity of the
attribute information unless you also have some form of locking to
guarantee that said information remains valid until you are done
processing it?

Cheers,
  Trond

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NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Gary Grider, (Tue Nov 28, 12:34 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue Nov 28, 11:08 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Christoph Hellwig, (Tue Nov 28, 1:54 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Christoph Hellwig, (Wed Nov 29, 5:04 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Matthew Wilcox, (Wed Nov 29, 8:23 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Christoph Hellwig, (Wed Nov 29, 8:39 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Rob Ross, (Fri Dec 1, 6:29 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Latchesar Ionkov, (Fri Dec 1, 10:35 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Rob Ross, (Mon Dec 4, 8:37 pm)
Re: Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Latchesar Ionkov, (Tue Dec 5, 12:47 pm)
Re: Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, David Chinner, (Wed Dec 6, 5:48 am)
openg and path_to_handle, Rob Ross, (Wed Dec 6, 11:53 am)
Re: openg and path_to_handle, Latchesar Ionkov, (Wed Dec 6, 7:19 pm)
Re: openg and path_to_handle, Rob Ross, (Thu Dec 14, 5:00 pm)
Re: openg and path_to_handle, Matthew Wilcox, (Thu Dec 14, 5:20 pm)
Re: openg and path_to_handle, Rob Ross, (Thu Dec 14, 7:02 pm)
Re: openg and path_to_handle, David Chinner, (Wed Dec 6, 4:40 pm)
Re: openg and path_to_handle, Rob Ross, (Wed Dec 6, 4:50 pm)
Re: openg and path_to_handle, David Chinner, (Wed Dec 6, 5:01 pm)
Re: openg and path_to_handle, Matthew Wilcox, (Wed Dec 6, 4:50 pm)
Re: openg and path_to_handle, Andreas Dilger, (Wed Dec 6, 6:09 pm)
Re: openg and path_to_handle, Christoph Hellwig, (Wed Dec 6, 7:39 pm)
Re: openg and path_to_handle, Rob Ross, (Thu Dec 14, 6:52 pm)
Re: openg and path_to_handle, Matthew Wilcox, (Wed Dec 6, 6:17 pm)
Re: openg and path_to_handle, Andreas Dilger, (Wed Dec 6, 6:41 pm)
Re: openg and path_to_handle, David Chinner, (Wed Dec 6, 5:09 pm)
Re: openg and path_to_handle, Matthew Wilcox, (Wed Dec 6, 12:04 pm)
Re: openg and path_to_handle, Rob Ross, (Wed Dec 6, 12:20 pm)
Re: openg and path_to_handle, David Chinner, (Wed Dec 6, 4:57 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Rob Ross, (Tue Dec 5, 5:44 pm)
Re: Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Latchesar Ionkov, (Wed Dec 6, 7:25 pm)
openg, Christoph Hellwig, (Wed Dec 6, 7:01 am)
Re: openg, Rob Ross, (Wed Dec 6, 11:42 am)
Re: openg, Christoph Hellwig, (Wed Dec 6, 7:32 pm)
Re: openg, Rob Ross, (Thu Dec 14, 7:36 pm)
Re: openg, Trond Myklebust, (Wed Dec 6, 11:41 am)
Re: Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue Dec 5, 1:01 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Peter Staubach, (Tue Dec 5, 5:50 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Christoph Hellwig, (Tue Dec 5, 6:02 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Matthew Wilcox, (Wed Nov 29, 8:35 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Gary Grider, (Wed Nov 29, 12:26 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Christoph Hellwig, (Wed Nov 29, 1:18 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Andreas Dilger, (Wed Nov 29, 5:48 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Ric Wheeler, (Fri Dec 1, 11:52 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Steven Whitehouse, (Wed Nov 29, 6:25 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Christoph Hellwig, (Thu Nov 30, 8:29 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Anton Altaparmakov, (Wed Nov 29, 6:18 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Brad Boyer, (Wed Nov 29, 4:26 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Christoph Hellwig, (Thu Nov 30, 5:25 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Sage Weil, (Thu Nov 30, 1:49 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Dec 1, 1:26 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Sage Weil, (Fri Dec 1, 3:08 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Dec 1, 10:41 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Andreas Dilger, (Sat Dec 2, 9:52 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Sage Weil, (Sun Dec 3, 12:10 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Andreas Dilger, (Mon Dec 4, 3:32 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Trond Myklebust, (Mon Dec 4, 11:15 am)
Re: readdirplus() as possible POSIX I/O API, Andreas Dilger, (Tue Dec 5, 6:26 am)
Re: Re: readdirplus() as possible POSIX I/O API, Latchesar Ionkov, (Tue Dec 5, 1:06 pm)
Re: readdirplus() as possible POSIX I/O API, Rob Ross, (Tue Dec 5, 6:48 pm)
Re: readdirplus() as possible POSIX I/O API, Trond Myklebust, (Tue Dec 5, 11:23 am)
Re: readdirplus() as possible POSIX I/O API, Andreas Dilger, (Wed Dec 6, 6:28 am)
Re: readdirplus() as possible POSIX I/O API, Trond Myklebust, (Wed Dec 6, 11:10 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Rob Ross, (Mon Dec 4, 8:59 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Peter Staubach, (Tue Dec 5, 10:37 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Trond Myklebust, (Tue Dec 5, 1:56 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Christoph Hellwig, (Tue Dec 5, 6:07 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Rob Ross, (Tue Dec 5, 5:50 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Christoph Hellwig, (Tue Dec 5, 6:05 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Nikita Danilov, (Thu Dec 7, 7:39 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Ulrich Drepper, (Tue Dec 5, 7:55 pm)
statlite(), Rob Ross, (Thu Dec 14, 7:58 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Andreas Dilger, (Wed Dec 6, 6:06 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Ulrich Drepper, (Wed Dec 6, 1:19 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Rob Ross, (Wed Dec 6, 1:27 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Ulrich Drepper, (Wed Dec 6, 1:42 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Andreas Dilger, (Thu Dec 7, 1:57 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Ulrich Drepper, (Fri Dec 15, 6:37 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Andreas Dilger, (Sat Dec 16, 2:13 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Ulrich Drepper, (Sat Dec 16, 3:08 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Ulrich Drepper, (Wed Dec 6, 2:13 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Ragnar , (Sun Dec 17, 10:41 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Ulrich Drepper, (Sun Dec 17, 3:07 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Matthew Wilcox, (Sun Dec 17, 3:38 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Ulrich Drepper, (Sun Dec 17, 5:51 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Ragnar , (Sun Dec 17, 10:57 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Gary Grider, (Sun Dec 17, 11:54 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Sage Weil, (Tue Dec 5, 7:18 pm)
Re: Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Latchesar Ionkov, (Tue Dec 5, 12:55 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Christoph Hellwig, (Tue Dec 5, 6:12 pm)
Re: Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Latchesar Ionkov, (Wed Dec 6, 7:12 pm)
Re: Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Trond Myklebust, (Wed Dec 6, 7:33 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Trond Myklebust, (Tue Dec 5, 10:55 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Trond Myklebust, (Wed Dec 6, 11:14 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Rob Ross, (Tue Dec 5, 6:11 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Trond Myklebust, (Tue Dec 5, 7:24 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Rob Ross, (Wed Dec 6, 12:42 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Matthew Wilcox, (Tue Dec 5, 10:20 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Rob Ross, (Wed Dec 6, 11:04 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Matthew Wilcox, (Wed Dec 6, 11:44 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Rob Ross, (Wed Dec 6, 12:15 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Gary Grider, (Tue Dec 5, 12:44 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Christoph Hellwig, (Tue Dec 5, 6:05 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Sage Weil, (Fri Dec 1, 12:47 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Dec 1, 2:07 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Andreas Dilger, (Sat Dec 2, 9:57 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Sage Weil, (Fri Dec 1, 2:42 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Peter Staubach, (Mon Dec 4, 2:02 pm)
Re: readdirplus() as possible POSIX I/O API, Sage Weil, (Tue Dec 5, 7:20 pm)
Re: readdirplus() as possible POSIX I/O API, Peter Staubach, (Wed Dec 6, 11:48 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Trond Myklebust, (Fri Dec 1, 3:13 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Sage Weil, (Fri Dec 1, 4:32 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Christoph Hellwig, (Wed Nov 29, 5:14 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Andreas Dilger, (Tue Nov 28, 6:54 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Wendy Cheng, (Tue Nov 28, 7:28 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Christoph Hellwig, (Wed Nov 29, 5:12 am)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Russell Cattelan, (Tue Nov 28, 4:17 pm)
Re: NFSv4/pNFS possible POSIX I/O API standards, Anton Altaparmakov, (Tue Nov 28, 7:28 am)
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