Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers

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From: Ric Wheeler
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 5:50 pm

On 08/25/2009 08:44 PM, Pavel Machek wrote:

Some scary terms that drive people mention (and measure):

"high fly writes"
"over powered seeks"
"adjacent tack erasure"

If you do get a partial track written, the data integrity bits that the data is 
embedded in will flag it as invalid and give you and IO error on the next read. 
Note that the damage is not persistent, it will get repaired (in place) on the 
next write to that sector.

Also it is worth noting that ext2/3/4 write file system "blocks" not single 
sectors. Each ext3 IO is 8 distinct disk sector writes and those can span tracks 
on a drive which require a seek which all consume power.

On power loss, a disk will immediately park the heads...

ric

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Re: ext2/3: document conditions when reliable operation is ..., Goswin von Brederlow, (Mon Mar 30, 8:06 am)
[patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Pavel Machek, (Tue Aug 25, 3:21 pm)
[patch] document that ext2 can't handle barriers, Pavel Machek, (Tue Aug 25, 3:27 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, david, (Tue Aug 25, 3:33 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Pavel Machek, (Tue Aug 25, 3:40 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, david, (Tue Aug 25, 3:59 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Pavel Machek, (Tue Aug 25, 4:37 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Ric Wheeler, (Tue Aug 25, 4:48 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, david, (Tue Aug 25, 4:56 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Pavel Machek, (Tue Aug 25, 5:06 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Pavel Machek, (Tue Aug 25, 5:12 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Ric Wheeler, (Tue Aug 25, 5:12 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, david, (Tue Aug 25, 5:20 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Pavel Machek, (Tue Aug 25, 5:20 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, david, (Tue Aug 25, 5:26 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Ric Wheeler, (Tue Aug 25, 5:26 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Ric Wheeler, (Tue Aug 25, 5:28 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Pavel Machek, (Tue Aug 25, 5:38 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Pavel Machek, (Tue Aug 25, 5:39 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Pavel Machek, (Tue Aug 25, 5:44 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Ric Wheeler, (Tue Aug 25, 5:45 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Ric Wheeler, (Tue Aug 25, 5:50 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, david, (Tue Aug 25, 6:17 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, david, (Tue Aug 25, 6:19 pm)
Re: [patch] ext2/3: document conditions when reliable oper ..., Henrique de Moraes H ..., (Tue Aug 25, 7:53 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Rik van Riel, (Tue Aug 25, 9:20 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Rik van Riel, (Tue Aug 25, 9:24 pm)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Pavel Machek, (Wed Aug 26, 4:21 am)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Pavel Machek, (Wed Aug 26, 4:22 am)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Pavel Machek, (Wed Aug 26, 4:25 am)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Ric Wheeler, (Wed Aug 26, 4:58 am)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Theodore Tso, (Wed Aug 26, 5:37 am)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Theodore Tso, (Wed Aug 26, 5:40 am)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Ric Wheeler, (Wed Aug 26, 6:11 am)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, david, (Wed Aug 26, 6:44 am)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Rik van Riel, (Wed Aug 26, 7:45 am)
Re: MD/DM and barriers (was Re: [patch] ext2/3: document c ..., Alasdair G Kergon, (Thu Aug 27, 11:09 am)
Re: raid is dangerous but that's secret, Florian Weimer, (Fri Aug 28, 12:11 am)
Re: raid is dangerous but that's secret, NeilBrown, (Fri Aug 28, 12:23 am)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Pavel Machek, (Sat Aug 29, 2:38 am)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Pavel Machek, (Sat Aug 29, 2:39 am)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Ron Johnson, (Sat Aug 29, 4:47 am)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, jim owens, (Sat Aug 29, 9:12 am)
Re: [patch] document flash/RAID dangers, Pavel Machek, (Sat Aug 29, 11:49 pm)
Re: raid is dangerous but that's secret (was Re: [patch] e ..., Christoph Hellwig, (Sun Aug 30, 9:35 am)
Re: raid is dangerous but that's secret (was Re: [patch] e ..., Christoph Hellwig, (Mon Aug 31, 6:16 am)
Re: raid is dangerous but that's secret (was Re: [patch] e ..., Christoph Hellwig, (Mon Aug 31, 6:21 am)
Re: raid is dangerous but that's secret (was Re: [patch] e ..., Jesse Brandeburg, (Mon Aug 31, 10:49 am)
Re: raid is dangerous but that's secret (was Re: [patch] e ..., Christoph Hellwig, (Mon Aug 31, 11:31 am)