Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful

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From: Sean Kelley
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 3:53 pm

Hi

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:



When one has 100 users in a company using a DVCS, you really need some
sort of simplified workflow documented and taught.  Not everyone who
writes code is particularly keen on the vagaries of a VCS' commands.
I know that must be shocking to this audience the GIT list, but it is
very very true.  They don't give a crap what sort of weird command
combination one can pull out of the 100 or so commands when you type
git-<tab> at a bash prompt.  They just want the damn thing to behave
in a somewhat friendly fashion.  They want to check in their code and
get on with software development and not over analyzing how many ways
they can do the same command.   In my experience, what Ted is
suggesting is the only way to handle it.  Most developers just want it
to work and focus on debugging their project.  Never expect your users
to have the same interest as you in VCS.

Sean
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Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jul 16, 10:21 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Jesper Eskilson, (Wed Jul 16, 10:50 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Avery Pennarun, (Wed Jul 16, 10:53 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jul 16, 11:12 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jul 16, 11:14 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Jul 16, 11:18 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Jesper Eskilson, (Wed Jul 16, 11:19 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jul 16, 11:27 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Avery Pennarun, (Wed Jul 16, 11:35 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Avery Pennarun, (Wed Jul 16, 11:51 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Petr Baudis, (Wed Jul 16, 11:59 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Jul 16, 12:09 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Avery Pennarun, (Wed Jul 16, 12:22 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Avery Pennarun, (Wed Jul 16, 12:29 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Jul 16, 12:34 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Avery Pennarun, (Wed Jul 16, 12:46 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Jul 16, 1:12 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Theodore Tso, (Wed Jul 16, 1:13 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Wed Jul 16, 1:23 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Jul 16, 1:27 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Jul 16, 1:51 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Dmitry Potapov, (Wed Jul 16, 2:48 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Daniel Barkalow, (Wed Jul 16, 2:53 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Dmitry Potapov, (Wed Jul 16, 2:59 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Stephan Beyer, (Wed Jul 16, 3:09 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Dmitry Potapov, (Wed Jul 16, 3:24 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jul 16, 3:28 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Theodore Tso, (Wed Jul 16, 3:32 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Theodore Tso, (Wed Jul 16, 3:49 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Sean Kelley, (Wed Jul 16, 3:53 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jul 16, 4:05 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Nigel Magnay, (Wed Jul 16, 4:17 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jul 16, 4:19 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jul 16, 4:22 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Jul 16, 4:40 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jul 16, 5:02 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jul 16, 5:25 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Stephan Beyer, (Wed Jul 16, 6:01 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Theodore Tso, (Wed Jul 16, 7:47 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Stephen Sinclair, (Wed Jul 16, 8:21 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Jul 16, 11:53 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, "Peter Valdemar Mørc ..., (Thu Jul 17, 12:30 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Dmitry Potapov, (Thu Jul 17, 5:38 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Theodore Tso, (Thu Jul 17, 5:55 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Peter Valdemar Mørch, (Thu Jul 17, 6:35 am)
RE: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Craig L. Ching, (Thu Jul 17, 7:21 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Theodore Tso, (Thu Jul 17, 7:26 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Petr Baudis, (Thu Jul 17, 7:51 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, J. Bruce Fields, (Thu Jul 17, 8:55 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, J. Bruce Fields, (Thu Jul 17, 8:57 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Jul 17, 9:38 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Jul 17, 11:16 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Jul 17, 11:29 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Jul 17, 11:43 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Jul 17, 12:10 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Andreas Ericsson, (Fri Jul 18, 1:19 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, J. Bruce Fields, (Fri Jul 18, 7:35 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Ping Yin, (Fri Jul 18, 10:02 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Jeff King, (Fri Jul 18, 11:26 am)
Re: Suggestion: doc restructuring, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Jul 18, 12:50 pm)
Re: Addremove equivalent [was: Re: Considering teaching pl ..., Johannes Schindelin, (Fri Jul 18, 4:03 pm)
Re: Suggestion: doc restructuring [was: Re: Considering te ..., Johannes Schindelin, (Fri Jul 18, 6:19 pm)
Re: Addremove equivalent, Junio C Hamano, (Sat Jul 19, 8:27 pm)
[PATCH 2/2] git-add -a: add all files, Junio C Hamano, (Sat Jul 19, 8:29 pm)
[PATCH 3/2] git-add -a: tests, Junio C Hamano, (Sat Jul 19, 8:32 pm)
Re: [PATCH 2/2] git-add -a: add all files, Tarmigan, (Sat Jul 19, 9:20 pm)
Re: [PATCH 2/2] git-add -a: add all files, Tarmigan, (Sat Jul 19, 9:28 pm)
Re: Suggestion: doc restructuring, Junio C Hamano, (Sun Jul 20, 1:14 am)
Re: [PATCH 2/2] git-add -a: add all files, Johannes Schindelin, (Sun Jul 20, 3:56 am)
Re: Suggestion: doc restructuring, Johannes Schindelin, (Sun Jul 20, 4:02 am)
Re: [PATCH 2/2] git-add -a: add all files, Jay Soffian, (Sun Jul 20, 5:45 am)
Re: [PATCH 2/2] git-add -a: add all files, Sverre Rabbelier, (Sun Jul 20, 1:34 pm)
Re: Suggestion: doc restructuring, Andreas Ericsson, (Sun Jul 20, 11:41 pm)
Re: Suggestion: doc restructuring, Johannes Schindelin, (Mon Jul 21, 3:04 am)
Re: Suggestion: doc restructuring, Junio C Hamano, (Mon Jul 21, 9:22 am)