Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful

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Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 4:51 pm

Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de> writes:


I think that justification is harmful.

More productive way to think about it is to identify cases where we _need_
to go down to combination of the plumbing commands in our daily workflow,
with today's command set.  That would give us a good indication that some
Porcelain may need to be enhanced.

An example. I find myself running "git read-tree -m -u $another_state"
while redoing a series inside a "rebase -i" session to move commit
boundaries.  There may need an insn that says "use that tree" instead of
"edit" and running "read-tree -m -u" by hand.  This does not bother me too
much, but there probably are other examples.

Another example.  I often run "git ls-files -u" while looking at which
paths are conflicting.  ls-files is classified as plumbing, but it does
not bother me as much as having to see the staged long object names in
this output.  Other people, however, might find it yucky, and we might
want "git merge --unmerged" or something that lists the paths (and only
paths, no stage information) that still have conflicts.
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Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jul 16, 1:21 pm)
Re: Suggestion: doc restructuring [was: Re: Considering teac..., Johannes Schindelin, (Fri Jul 18, 9:19 pm)
Re: Suggestion: doc restructuring, Junio C Hamano, (Sun Jul 20, 4:14 am)
Re: Suggestion: doc restructuring, Andreas Ericsson, (Mon Jul 21, 2:41 am)
Re: Suggestion: doc restructuring, Junio C Hamano, (Mon Jul 21, 12:22 pm)
Re: Suggestion: doc restructuring, Johannes Schindelin, (Mon Jul 21, 6:04 am)
Re: Suggestion: doc restructuring, Johannes Schindelin, (Sun Jul 20, 7:02 am)
Re: Suggestion: doc restructuring, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Jul 18, 3:50 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Andreas Ericsson, (Fri Jul 18, 4:19 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Jeff King, (Fri Jul 18, 2:26 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, "Peter Valdemar Mørch (Lists)"..., (Thu Jul 17, 3:30 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Theodore Tso, (Thu Jul 17, 8:55 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Jul 17, 12:38 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Peter Valdemar Mørch, (Thu Jul 17, 9:35 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Theodore Tso, (Thu Jul 17, 10:26 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Dmitry Potapov, (Thu Jul 17, 8:38 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Stephan Beyer, (Wed Jul 16, 6:09 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jul 16, 7:22 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Stephan Beyer, (Wed Jul 16, 9:01 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Dmitry Potapov, (Wed Jul 16, 5:48 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jul 16, 7:19 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Jul 16, 4:51 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, J. Bruce Fields, (Thu Jul 17, 11:55 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Jul 17, 2:16 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Jul 17, 2:29 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Jul 17, 2:43 pm)
Re: Addremove equivalent, Junio C Hamano, (Sat Jul 19, 11:27 pm)
[PATCH 2/2] git-add -a: add all files, Junio C Hamano, (Sat Jul 19, 11:29 pm)
Re: [PATCH 2/2] git-add -a: add all files, Tarmigan, (Sun Jul 20, 12:20 am)
Re: [PATCH 2/2] git-add -a: add all files, Johannes Schindelin, (Sun Jul 20, 6:56 am)
Re: [PATCH 2/2] git-add -a: add all files, Jay Soffian, (Sun Jul 20, 8:45 am)
Re: [PATCH 2/2] git-add -a: add all files, Sverre Rabbelier, (Sun Jul 20, 4:34 pm)
Re: [PATCH 2/2] git-add -a: add all files, Tarmigan, (Sun Jul 20, 12:28 am)
[PATCH 3/2] git-add -a: tests, Junio C Hamano, (Sat Jul 19, 11:32 pm)
Re: Addremove equivalent [was: Re: Considering teaching plum..., Johannes Schindelin, (Fri Jul 18, 7:03 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Jul 17, 3:10 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, J. Bruce Fields, (Fri Jul 18, 10:35 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jul 16, 7:05 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Jul 16, 7:40 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jul 16, 8:02 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Jul 17, 2:53 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Jesper Eskilson, (Wed Jul 16, 1:50 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jul 16, 2:14 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Jesper Eskilson, (Wed Jul 16, 2:19 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jul 16, 2:27 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Jul 16, 4:27 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Avery Pennarun, (Wed Jul 16, 1:53 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Stephen R. van den Berg, (Wed Jul 16, 4:23 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Jul 16, 2:18 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Avery Pennarun, (Wed Jul 16, 2:51 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Dmitry Potapov, (Wed Jul 16, 5:59 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Jul 16, 3:09 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Avery Pennarun, (Wed Jul 16, 3:29 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jul 16, 6:28 pm)
RE: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Craig L. Ching, (Thu Jul 17, 10:21 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Petr Baudis, (Thu Jul 17, 10:51 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, J. Bruce Fields, (Thu Jul 17, 11:57 am)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Theodore Tso, (Wed Jul 16, 6:49 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jul 16, 8:25 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Theodore Tso, (Wed Jul 16, 10:47 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Dmitry Potapov, (Wed Jul 16, 6:24 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Jul 16, 3:34 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Avery Pennarun, (Wed Jul 16, 3:46 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Jul 16, 4:12 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Theodore Tso, (Wed Jul 16, 6:32 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Stephen Sinclair, (Wed Jul 16, 11:21 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Nigel Magnay, (Wed Jul 16, 7:17 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Sean Kelley, (Wed Jul 16, 6:53 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Petr Baudis, (Wed Jul 16, 2:59 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Avery Pennarun, (Wed Jul 16, 3:22 pm)
Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jul 16, 2:12 pm)
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Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful, Theodore Tso, (Wed Jul 16, 4:13 pm)