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From: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@...>

To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@...>

Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...>, Peter Karlsson <peter@...>, Mark Junker <mjscod@...>, Pedro Melo <melo@...>, git@vger.kernel.org <git@...>

Subject: Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names

Date: Friday, January 18, 2008 - 4:50 pm

Hi,

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008, Junio C Hamano wrote:

quoted text> Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> writes:
> 
> > On Fri, 18 Jan 2008, Peter Karlsson wrote:
> >> 
> >> But they are not different strings, they are canonically equivalent as
> >> far as Unicode is concerned.
> >
> > Fuck me with a spoon.
> >
> > Why the hell cannot people see that "equivalent" and "same" are two 
> > totally different meanings.
> 
> Could people _please_ stop this already?

Welcome, voice of reason.

quoted text> I think the sane people see the difference between equivalence
> and sameness, and we established that a filesystem that mangles
> the filenames behind user's back is a bad design.  Anybody who
> followed the thread and still does not agree with you is, eh,
> "ugly-and-stupid", as you might say ;-).  You cannot educate
> them all.

Actually, I see some value in calling them names, see 
http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645 for why.

quoted text> The thing is, even if you mange to educate them all, that broken 
> filesystem, and other filesystems with similar brokenness, do not go 
> away.

I was almost starting with hacking on this, but then the discussion 
annoyed me too much, and I asked myself for who I think I'd do this.

IMHO those people should ask "how could I begin to work on this".

Instead, they started a useless flamewar.

Now, back to the issue: Robin posted a link to his UTF-8 work.  While it 
is way too intrusive, and not limited to filenames at all, I think it has 
a few good pointers.

Ciao,
Dscho "who needs to calm down now"

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git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Mark Junker, (Wed Jan 16, 11:17 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jan 16, 11:34 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 11:43 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Miles Bader, (Thu Jan 17, 3:29 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Wincent Colaiuta, (Wed Jan 16, 7:03 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jan 16, 12:32 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Jakub Narebski, (Wed Jan 16, 12:46 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 4:39 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Wed Jan 16, 7:52 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Jakub Narebski, (Wed Jan 16, 5:51 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 6:06 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jan 16, 6:23 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 7:16 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 6:32 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 6:52 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 7:11 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 7:38 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Wed Jan 16, 7:57 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 8:16 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Peter Karlsson, (Fri Jan 18, 4:29 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Jakub Narebski, (Fri Jan 18, 7:16 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Wed Jan 16, 8:27 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jan 16, 8:35 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Wed Jan 16, 8:45 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, David Kastrup, (Wed Jan 16, 8:32 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Wed Jan 16, 8:40 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Wincent Colaiuta, (Wed Jan 16, 8:54 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jan 16, 9:08 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 9:41 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Thu Jan 17, 12:07 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 8:09 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 9:16 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 11:52 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 12:08 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Wincent Colaiuta, (Thu Jan 17, 6:08 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 12:43 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, JM Ibanez, (Thu Jan 17, 6:01 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Jan 17, 6:09 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Robin Rosenberg, (Thu Jan 17, 9:27 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 7:05 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Thu Jan 17, 7:10 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Mark Junker, (Thu Jan 17, 2:09 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 2:42 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Thu Jan 17, 2:52 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 3:11 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Peter Karlsson, (Fri Jan 18, 6:19 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Jan 18, 1:11 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Peter Karlsson, (Mon Jan 21, 10:14 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 2:16 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 12:43 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Mon Jan 21, 4:30 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 2:12 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Mon Jan 21, 4:36 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Martin Langhoff, (Mon Jan 21, 5:06 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, David Kastrup, (Mon Jan 21, 5:09 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 5:42 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Martin Langhoff, (Mon Jan 21, 6:45 pm)

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Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 3:05 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Mon Jan 21, 4:56 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 5:07 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Mon Jan 21, 6:41 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 6:53 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Mon Jan 21, 7:21 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Theodore Tso, (Mon Jan 21, 3:57 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 4:01 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Theodore Tso, (Mon Jan 21, 4:15 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 4:31 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Theodore Tso, (Mon Jan 21, 4:46 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 4:59 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 3:41 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 3:58 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 4:33 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 4:53 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, David Kastrup, (Mon Jan 21, 4:58 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 5:33 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 5:49 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 6:34 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 6:46 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 7:44 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 8:47 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 9:01 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 9:13 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 10:33 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 10:50 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 11:04 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Martin Langhoff, (Mon Jan 21, 11:21 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Tue Jan 22, 12:22 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 11:17 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Theodore Tso, (Mon Jan 21, 7:00 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 7:09 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Martin Langhoff, (Mon Jan 21, 6:56 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Martin Langhoff, (Mon Jan 21, 5:17 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 5:28 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Martin Langhoff, (Mon Jan 21, 5:43 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Nicolas Pitre, (Mon Jan 21, 1:08 pm)

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Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Jeff King, (Mon Jan 21, 12:53 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Jan 18, 4:28 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Eric W. Biederman, (Tue Jan 22, 10:46 pm)

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Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Jan 23, 10:26 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Jan 23, 5:19 pm)

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Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Sat Jan 19, 4:48 am)

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Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Wincent Colaiuta, (Sat Jan 19, 8:11 pm)

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Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Robin Rosenberg, (Thu Jan 17, 9:05 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 9:24 pm)

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Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 2:44 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Thu Jan 17, 3:02 pm)

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