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From: David Kastrup <dak@...>

To: Pedro Melo <melo@...>

Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...>, Kevin Ballard <kevin@...>, Jakub Narebski <jnareb@...>, Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@...>, Mark Junker <mjscod@...>, <git@...>

Subject: Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names

Date: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 - 8:32 pm

Pedro Melo <melo@simplicidade.org> writes:

quoted text> On Jan 17, 2008, at 12:16 AM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Pedro Melo wrote:
>>>
>>> The difference I see between us is that if I tell my filesystem that
>>> I want to name my file with a particular string encoded in X, users
>>> using encoding Y will be able to read it correctly. I like my
>>> filesystem to make that work for me.
>>
>> The difference I see between us is that when I tell you that this is
>> exactly the same thing as your file *contents*, you don't seem to get
>> it.
>
> I get that you think its the same thing.
>
> What I don't get is why a user should be forced to know what type of
> encoding he and the other users are using on all the layers going down
> to the filesystem. If two users on different systems or in different
> configurations, choose the same unicode string as the name, why do we
> need to make it harder for things to just work out?

If you do the normalization in the right place, things will just work
out.  The file system is not the right place.

quoted text> I'm willing to accept a file system or other layer that normalizes
> encoding of filenames if that makes the end-user life easier,
> specially in a tool distributed by nature.

Well, as the issue shows it does not make life for the end-user easier.

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David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
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git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Mark Junker, (Wed Jan 16, 11:17 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jan 16, 11:34 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 11:43 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Miles Bader, (Thu Jan 17, 3:29 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Wincent Colaiuta, (Wed Jan 16, 7:03 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jan 16, 12:32 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Jakub Narebski, (Wed Jan 16, 12:46 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 4:39 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Wed Jan 16, 7:52 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Jakub Narebski, (Wed Jan 16, 5:51 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 6:06 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jan 16, 6:23 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 7:16 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 6:32 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 6:52 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 7:11 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 7:38 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Wed Jan 16, 7:57 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 8:16 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Peter Karlsson, (Fri Jan 18, 4:29 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Jakub Narebski, (Fri Jan 18, 7:16 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Wed Jan 16, 8:27 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jan 16, 8:35 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Wed Jan 16, 8:45 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, David Kastrup, (Wed Jan 16, 8:32 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Wed Jan 16, 8:40 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Wincent Colaiuta, (Wed Jan 16, 8:54 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jan 16, 9:08 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 9:41 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Thu Jan 17, 12:07 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 8:09 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 9:16 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Wed Jan 16, 11:52 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 12:08 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Wincent Colaiuta, (Thu Jan 17, 6:08 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 12:43 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, JM Ibanez, (Thu Jan 17, 6:01 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Jan 17, 6:09 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Robin Rosenberg, (Thu Jan 17, 9:27 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 7:05 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Thu Jan 17, 7:10 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Mark Junker, (Thu Jan 17, 2:09 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 2:42 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Thu Jan 17, 2:52 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 3:11 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Peter Karlsson, (Fri Jan 18, 6:19 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Jan 18, 1:11 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Peter Karlsson, (Mon Jan 21, 10:14 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 2:16 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 12:43 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Mon Jan 21, 4:30 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 2:12 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Mon Jan 21, 4:36 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Martin Langhoff, (Mon Jan 21, 5:06 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, David Kastrup, (Mon Jan 21, 5:09 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 5:42 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Martin Langhoff, (Mon Jan 21, 6:45 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Mike Hommey, (Mon Jan 21, 3:44 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 3:05 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Mon Jan 21, 4:56 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 5:07 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Mon Jan 21, 6:41 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 6:53 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Mon Jan 21, 7:21 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Theodore Tso, (Mon Jan 21, 3:57 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 4:01 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Theodore Tso, (Mon Jan 21, 4:15 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 4:31 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Theodore Tso, (Mon Jan 21, 4:46 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 4:59 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 3:41 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 3:58 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 4:33 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 4:53 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, David Kastrup, (Mon Jan 21, 4:58 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 5:33 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 5:49 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 6:34 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 6:46 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 7:44 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 8:47 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 9:01 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 9:13 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 10:33 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 10:50 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 11:04 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Martin Langhoff, (Mon Jan 21, 11:21 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Tue Jan 22, 12:22 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Mon Jan 21, 11:17 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Theodore Tso, (Mon Jan 21, 7:00 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 7:09 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Martin Langhoff, (Mon Jan 21, 6:56 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Martin Langhoff, (Mon Jan 21, 5:17 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 5:28 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Martin Langhoff, (Mon Jan 21, 5:43 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Nicolas Pitre, (Mon Jan 21, 1:08 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, David Kastrup, (Mon Jan 21, 4:32 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Mon Jan 21, 1:25 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, David Kastrup, (Mon Jan 21, 4:35 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Jeff King, (Mon Jan 21, 12:53 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Jan 18, 4:28 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Eric W. Biederman, (Tue Jan 22, 10:46 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Junio C Hamano, (Tue Jan 22, 10:57 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Jan 23, 10:26 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Jan 23, 5:19 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Fri Jan 18, 4:50 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Fri Jan 18, 4:24 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Sat Jan 19, 4:48 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Jan 19, 2:58 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Wincent Colaiuta, (Sat Jan 19, 8:11 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Jan 19, 9:04 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Wincent Colaiuta, (Sun Jan 20, 5:34 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Mike Hommey, (Sun Jan 20, 1:27 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Sun Jan 20, 1:45 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Mike Hommey, (Sun Jan 20, 3:00 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Sun Jan 20, 4:00 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Sun Jan 20, 4:12 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Sun Jan 20, 3:26 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Sat Jan 19, 6:58 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Sun Jan 20, 2:14 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Sun Jan 20, 9:15 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Sun Jan 20, 2:53 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Mark Junker, (Sat Jan 19, 4:39 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Sat Jan 19, 10:55 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Sat Jan 19, 5:17 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Fri Jan 18, 6:50 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Peter Karlsson, (Fri Jan 18, 11:30 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Thu Jan 17, 8:18 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 8:35 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Robin Rosenberg, (Thu Jan 17, 9:05 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 9:24 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Robin Rosenberg, (Fri Jan 18, 5:42 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Fri Jan 18, 6:30 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Peter Karlsson, (Fri Jan 18, 11:37 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Fri Jan 18, 4:49 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Theodore Tso, (Thu Jan 17, 3:01 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Mark Junker, (Thu Jan 17, 2:50 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Thu Jan 17, 2:12 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Jan 17, 2:18 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Mark Junker, (Thu Jan 17, 2:36 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Thu Jan 17, 2:38 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jan 17, 2:44 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Thu Jan 17, 3:02 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Dmitry Potapov, (Thu Jan 17, 5:27 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Thu Jan 17, 12:30 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Martin Langhoff, (Thu Jan 17, 12:51 am)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Kevin Ballard, (Thu Jan 17, 1:23 am)

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Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Andrew Heybey, (Thu Jan 17, 10:02 am)

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Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 8:25 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jan 16, 8:33 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jan 16, 9:06 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Pedro Melo, (Wed Jan 16, 8:43 pm)

Re: git on MacOSX and files with decomposed utf-8 file names, Johannes Schindelin, (Wed Jan 16, 8:57 pm)

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