Re: Git's database structure

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To: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@...>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@...>, Git Mailing List <git@...>
Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2007 - 5:25 pm

On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 01:44:47PM -0400, Jon Smirl wrote:

Databases solved the flexibility problem, at the cost of performance.
And if you use full normalized form in your database scheme, it costs
you even more in performance, because of all of the joins that you
need in order get the information you need to do, you know, useful
work as opposed to database wanking.

If you take a look at the really big databases with super high
performance requirements, say like those used to managed airline
tickets/reservation/fares, you will find that they are not normalized,
and they are not relational; they can't afford to be.  And if you take
a look at some of git competition that use relational databases to
store their SCM data, and take a look at how loooooong they they take
to do even basic operations, I would say that the onus is on you to
prove that normalization is actually a win in terms of real (not
theoretical) advantages, and that it doesn't cause performance to go
into the toilet.

I think the fundamental disconnect here is that no one is buying your
claim that just because the data design is "more flexible" that this
is automatically a good thing in and of itself, and we should even for
a moment, "put performance aside".  

I also don't think that attempting to force git's data structures into
database terms makes sense; it is much closer to an filesystem using
an object based store --- and very few people except for folks like
Hans Resiers believes that Filesystems and Database should be
unified....

						- Ted
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Git's database structure, Jon Smirl, (Tue Sep 4, 11:23 am)
Re: Git's database structure, Julian Phillips, (Tue Sep 4, 1:19 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Jon Smirl, (Tue Sep 4, 1:30 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Andreas Ericsson, (Tue Sep 4, 2:51 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Jon Smirl, (Tue Sep 4, 12:28 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Junio C Hamano, (Tue Sep 4, 1:25 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Jon Smirl, (Tue Sep 4, 1:44 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Theodore Tso, (Tue Sep 4, 5:25 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Jon Smirl, (Tue Sep 4, 5:54 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Andreas Ericsson, (Wed Sep 5, 3:18 am)
Re: Git's database structure, Jon Smirl, (Wed Sep 5, 9:41 am)
Re: Git's database structure, Andy Parkins, (Wed Sep 5, 3:52 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Andreas Ericsson, (Wed Sep 5, 10:51 am)
Re: Git's database structure, Jon Smirl, (Wed Sep 5, 11:37 am)
Re: Git's database structure, Julian Phillips, (Wed Sep 5, 11:54 am)
Re: Git's database structure, Jon Smirl, (Wed Sep 5, 12:12 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Martin Langhoff, (Thu Sep 6, 8:33 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Sep 6, 8:56 am)
Re: Git's database structure, Steven Grimm, (Thu Sep 6, 2:14 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Andreas Ericsson, (Thu Sep 6, 4:49 am)
Re: Git's database structure, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Sep 6, 5:09 am)
Re: Git's database structure, Wincent Colaiuta, (Thu Sep 6, 7:03 am)
Re: Git's database structure, Mike Hommey, (Wed Sep 5, 1:39 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Julian Phillips, (Wed Sep 5, 1:31 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Kyle Moffett, (Wed Sep 5, 9:27 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Junio C Hamano, (Tue Sep 4, 2:06 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Mike Hommey, (Tue Sep 4, 2:04 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Reece Dunn, (Tue Sep 4, 3:44 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Andreas Ericsson, (Tue Sep 4, 12:31 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Jon Smirl, (Tue Sep 4, 12:47 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Andreas Ericsson, (Tue Sep 4, 12:51 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Andreas Ericsson, (Tue Sep 4, 11:55 am)
Re: Git's database structure, Junio C Hamano, (Tue Sep 4, 1:21 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Jon Smirl, (Tue Sep 4, 12:19 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, David Tweed, (Tue Sep 4, 4:17 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Jeff King, (Tue Sep 4, 1:09 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Andreas Ericsson, (Tue Sep 4, 12:29 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Mike Hommey, (Tue Sep 4, 12:07 pm)
Re: Git's database structure, Andreas Ericsson, (Tue Sep 4, 12:10 pm)