Martin Waitz wrote:
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> hoi :)
> 
> On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 04:47:47PM +0100, Stephan Feder wrote:
>> No so different. The way I see it is that "I" (meaning with submodules 
>> implemented as I proposed) could pull regularly from "your" repositories 
>> (implemented as you proposed) and work with the result (including 
>> submodules). Could you do the same?
> 
> Sorry, but with all that many people proposing things I am a bit lost
> now.  Sometimes I thought you want exactly the same thing as I do,
> sometimes I think we are talking in totally different directions.

We are in agreement about two fundamental parts of the implementation 
and their meaning:

1. A submodule is stored as a commit id in a tree object.

2. Every object that is reachable from the submodule's commit are 
reachable from the supermodule's repository.

Please confirm.

We now argue about how to work with that repository _object_ model.

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>> >For me a submodule is responsible for everything in or below a certain
>> >directory.  So by definition when you change something in this
>> >directory, you have to change it in the submodule.
>> 
>> But you do not consider the case where you cannot change the submodule 
>> because you do not own it.
> 
> I do not understand you here.
> The submodule is part of the supermodule, and the one who sets up the
> repository owns the whole thing, including all submodules, just like all
> the files which are part of the project.

If you mean by "owns the whole thing" what I stated above in 2. the we 
agree.

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> If you mean the upstream repository of the submodule, then yes, this is
> of course completely separated from the submodule and may be owned by
> someone else.  Consequently, this upstream repository of course does not
> need to change when someone introduces changes in the supermodule.

I think we still agree.

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>> For example, git has the subproject xdiff. If git had been able to work 
>> with subprojects as I envision, and if xdiff had been published as a git 
>> repository (not necessarily subproject enabled), it could have been 
>> pulled in git's subdirectory xdiff as a subproject.
> 
> This could have been done if submodule support would have been available
> at the time xdiff was introduced, yes.
> 
>> There would not have been a separate branch or even repository for
>> xdiff in the git repository.
> 
> What separate branch or repository are you talking about?

That's it: There is no need for a separate branch or repository. If you 
have the subproject's commit in the superproject's object database (and 
we really have that, see 1. and 2. above), why do you _have to_ store it 
elsewhere?

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>> All changes to xdiff in git could have been committed to the git 
>> repository only.
> 
> Yes, but if it would have been integrated as a submodule it obviously
> would have been committed to the xdiff submodule inside the git
> repository.

No. The xdiff submodule would only exist as part of the git repository. 
You could, f.e., access the xdiff commit in git HEAD as HEAD:xdiff// 
(again my proposed syntax). HEAD:xdiff//~2:xemit.c would give you the 
grandparent of xemit.c in the xdiff submodule. And so on. You can even 
have submodules that have themselves submodules.

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> So the changes are really part of the git repository, but you could go
> to the "git/xdiff" directory and only see the changes in the submodule,
> without the normal supermodule history.

See above.

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>> Independently, they could have been published to upstream and be put
>> into the xdiff repository by its author.  But the last part is what
>> only the owner of the xdiff repository is able to decide.
> 
> Of course, everything still works like normal git repositories.

OK.

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>> >You can't change the submodule contents in the supermodule without also
>> >changing the submodule.
>> >This is just like you can't commit a change to a file without also
>> >changing the file.
>> 
>> There is a difference. I would say: If you commit a change to a file in 
>> one branch, it need not be changed in all branches.
> 
> But you need to change _at_least_ one branch.
> Otherwise you cannot commit to a branch.

But only the supermodule's branch.

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> So if you change something in a submodule, you have to change one branch
> in the submodule.

No.

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> If you call git-checkout in the supermodule this will result in
> something like a git-reset in the submodule.

If you mean the submodule repository created by init-module I 
understand. But why create this "helper repository at all"?

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>> >No, this is the benefit you get by introducing submodules.
>> >Why would you want to introduce a submodule when it is not linked to the
>> >supermodule?
>> 
>> Because the submodule must be independent of the supermodule.
>> 
>> I see where you are coming from. You have one project that is divided 
>> into subprojects but the subprojects themselves are not independent.
>> 
>> What I would like to solve is the followng: You have a project X, an 
>> this project is made part of two other projects Y and Z (as a submodule 
>> or subproject or whatever you want to call it). The project X need not, 
>> must not or cannot care that it was made a subproject. But in projects Y 
>> and Z, you must be able to bugfix or extend or modify the code of 
>> projectX, and you must be able to push and pull changes between all 
>> three projects (of course we are only talking about the code part of 
>> project X).
> 
> Of course.
> 
> So if you wanted to check out everything, you could have something like
> ~/src/X, ~/src/Y/X, and ~/src/Z/X.
> All of these would be GIT repositories, all of them have their
> independent branches.
> 
> What I am saying is just that if you update Y, and the new Y contains an
> updated version of X, then ~/src/Y/X/.git/refs/heads/master will be
> changed by the pull, resulting in the new version of X being checked out
> in ~/src/Y/X (alongside all the other updates inside ~/src/Y).
> This of course is independend from ~/src/X or  ~/src/Z/X.
> 
>> Do you see where your solution makes that impossible, and that with more 
>> changes to the repository layout?
> 
> No ;-)
> 

Sorry, have to leave for home so I must leave that uncommented. 
Hopefully I can join in during the weekend.

Regards

Stephan
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