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To: Han-Wen Nienhuys <hanwen@...>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <junkio@...>, <git@...>
Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 11:12 pm

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:


And I've said this again, and I'll say it once more: that has basically 
_nothing_ to do with whether you spell "pull" as "pull" or "merge".

The reason people have trouble wrapping their heads around git is because 
they have been braindamaged by CVS and SVN, and just don't understand the 
fairly fundamental new concepts and workflow.

That's totally different from then arguing about stupid naming issues.

Peopel seem to believe that changign a few names or doing other totally 
_minimal_ UI changes would somehow magically make things understandable. I 
claim that isn't so at all. The fact is, git is different from CVS and 
SVN, and git _has_ to be different from CVS and SVN. It has to be 
different because the whole model of CVS and SVN is simpyl fundamentally 
BROKEN.


I claim that those "annoying little issues" are totally made up by people 
who had trouble wrapping their minds about git, and then make up reasons 
that have nothing to do with reality for why that might be so.

Let's face it, you could just alias "merge" to "pull", and it wouldn't 
really change ANYTHING. You'd still have to learn the new model. 

		Linus
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Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Jakub Narebski, (Tue Nov 14, 5:30 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Tue Nov 14, 5:34 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Tue Nov 14, 6:56 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Tue Nov 14, 9:48 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Tue Nov 14, 10:10 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Petr Baudis, (Wed Nov 15, 4:12 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 4:26 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 4:50 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 5:18 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 12:20 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 2:03 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Petr Baudis, (Thu Nov 16, 12:30 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Theodore Tso, (Wed Nov 15, 9:14 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 12:21 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Theodore Tso, (Thu Nov 16, 12:07 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts , Sanjoy Mahajan, (Wed Nov 22, 7:21 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Theodore Tso, (Thu Nov 16, 12:49 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Alexandre Julliard, (Thu Nov 16, 7:34 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Petr Baudis, (Thu Nov 16, 10:01 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Alexandre Julliard, (Thu Nov 16, 11:48 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Wed Nov 15, 9:20 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 11:12 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 7:00 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 7:22 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 8:05 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts , Horst H. von Brand, (Wed Nov 22, 10:52 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Thu Nov 16, 9:34 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Fri Nov 17, 2:42 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 3:32 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Fri Nov 17, 9:24 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 8:39 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 8:52 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 8:13 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 9:25 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 8:37 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 8:27 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Petr Baudis, (Thu Nov 16, 8:35 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 6:45 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 12:23 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 12:42 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 1:17 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 2:13 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 1:57 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 2:28 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 3:47 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 3:53 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 2:27 pm)
Re: multi-project repos (was Re: Cleaning up git user-interf..., Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 6:21 pm)
Re: multi-project repos (was Re: Cleaning up git user-interf..., Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 7:36 pm)
Re: multi-project repos (was Re: Cleaning up git user-interf..., Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 9:22 pm)
Re: multi-project repos (was Re: Cleaning up git user-interf..., Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 10:16 pm)
Re: multi-project repos, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 6:44 pm)
Re: multi-project repos, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 8:29 pm)
Re: multi-project repos, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 1:39 pm)
Re: multi-project repos, Shawn Pearce, (Sat Nov 18, 2:02 am)
Re: multi-project repos, Junio C Hamano, (Sat Nov 18, 3:31 am)
Re: multi-project repos, Shawn Pearce, (Sat Nov 18, 3:45 am)
Re: multi-project repos, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 4:24 pm)
Re: multi-project repos, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 2:33 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 7:11 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 9:03 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 9:11 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 7:47 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts , Horst H. von Brand, (Mon Nov 20, 3:44 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Shawn Pearce, (Mon Nov 20, 3:46 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 10:03 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Wed Nov 15, 10:30 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 11:27 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 12:07 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 11:35 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Andy Parkins, (Wed Nov 15, 2:58 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 3:32 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 3:18 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Wed Nov 15, 3:39 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 4:09 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 4:21 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 4:40 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Theodore Tso, (Thu Nov 16, 12:26 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Andreas Ericsson, (Thu Nov 16, 7:50 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 12:30 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 1:01 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 1:30 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Sean, (Thu Nov 16, 1:44 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Wed Nov 15, 5:08 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Jerome Lovy, (Tue Nov 21, 9:25 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 5:45 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Wed Nov 15, 6:52 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Sean, (Wed Nov 15, 7:07 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Shawn Pearce, (Wed Nov 15, 7:02 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 7:33 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 12:37 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Thu Nov 16, 1:57 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 2:23 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 4:41 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Fri Nov 17, 5:18 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 7:29 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Johannes Schindelin, (Fri Nov 17, 6:11 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Shawn Pearce, (Fri Nov 17, 12:58 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 7:41 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Wed Nov 15, 11:02 pm)
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Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 8:08 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 11:07 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 11:43 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 5:31 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 5:40 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 5:52 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Karl , (Fri Nov 17, 8:20 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 5:59 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 2:43 pm)
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Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Marko Macek, (Wed Nov 15, 3:05 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Sean, (Wed Nov 15, 6:28 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 4:41 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Marko Macek, (Thu Nov 16, 2:07 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Shawn Pearce, (Wed Nov 15, 6:07 pm)
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