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To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...>
Cc: Petr Baudis <pasky@...>, Junio C Hamano <junkio@...>, <git@...>
Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 5:18 pm

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006, Linus Torvalds wrote:


Yeah.  You could always throw a branch to your dog.

Or maybe we should introduce the concept of "bones" to GIT in place of 
branches?  ;-)


Has SCCS really had a similar level of influence than BK or CVS in that 
matter?


The problem is the "usage standpoint" distinction that has to be made.  
Exactly because in GIT it is a bit distorted from what most people 
expect from other standpoints.


But that's exactly why newbies have problems.  Instead of simply 
understanding the bare operation (fetch data in a branch _then_ merge 
it) they sort of need to abstract the concept of branch away because a 
"pull" does it all automagically.  Which is fine as long as you're 
willing to ignore branch concepts altogether.  But once branches are 
back in the picture for more involved operations then the "pull" word 
simply feels odd.  Even more so with the local merge syntax.

When I say to someone "just merge branch weezee with your current 
branch" the most intuitive command would be:

	git merge weezee

But because "pull" mixes two concepts together this makes the thing more 
esoteric.  Unless, of course, you get used to the mental model you 
outlined above, but IMHO simply needing a mental model to explain the 
tool is a sign that something is mapped wrong.


Nicolas
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Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Jakub Narebski, (Tue Nov 14, 5:30 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Tue Nov 14, 5:34 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Tue Nov 14, 6:56 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Tue Nov 14, 9:48 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Tue Nov 14, 10:10 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Petr Baudis, (Wed Nov 15, 4:12 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 4:26 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 4:50 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 5:18 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 12:20 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 2:03 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Petr Baudis, (Thu Nov 16, 12:30 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Theodore Tso, (Wed Nov 15, 9:14 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 12:21 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Theodore Tso, (Thu Nov 16, 12:07 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts , Sanjoy Mahajan, (Wed Nov 22, 7:21 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Theodore Tso, (Thu Nov 16, 12:49 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Alexandre Julliard, (Thu Nov 16, 7:34 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Petr Baudis, (Thu Nov 16, 10:01 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Alexandre Julliard, (Thu Nov 16, 11:48 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Wed Nov 15, 9:20 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 11:12 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 7:00 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 7:22 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 8:05 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts , Horst H. von Brand, (Wed Nov 22, 10:52 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Thu Nov 16, 9:34 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Fri Nov 17, 2:42 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 3:32 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Fri Nov 17, 9:24 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 8:39 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 8:52 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 8:13 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 9:25 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 8:37 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 8:27 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Petr Baudis, (Thu Nov 16, 8:35 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 6:45 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 12:23 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 12:42 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 1:17 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 2:13 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 1:57 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 2:28 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 3:47 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 3:53 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 2:27 pm)
Re: multi-project repos (was Re: Cleaning up git user-interf..., Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 6:21 pm)
Re: multi-project repos (was Re: Cleaning up git user-interf..., Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 7:36 pm)
Re: multi-project repos (was Re: Cleaning up git user-interf..., Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 9:22 pm)
Re: multi-project repos (was Re: Cleaning up git user-interf..., Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 10:16 pm)
Re: multi-project repos, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 6:44 pm)
Re: multi-project repos, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 8:29 pm)
Re: multi-project repos, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 1:39 pm)
Re: multi-project repos, Shawn Pearce, (Sat Nov 18, 2:02 am)
Re: multi-project repos, Junio C Hamano, (Sat Nov 18, 3:31 am)
Re: multi-project repos, Shawn Pearce, (Sat Nov 18, 3:45 am)
Re: multi-project repos, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 4:24 pm)
Re: multi-project repos, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 2:33 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 7:11 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 9:03 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 9:11 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 7:47 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts , Horst H. von Brand, (Mon Nov 20, 3:44 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Shawn Pearce, (Mon Nov 20, 3:46 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 10:03 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Wed Nov 15, 10:30 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 11:27 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 12:07 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 11:35 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Andy Parkins, (Wed Nov 15, 2:58 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 3:32 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 3:18 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Wed Nov 15, 3:39 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 4:09 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 4:21 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 4:40 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Theodore Tso, (Thu Nov 16, 12:26 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Andreas Ericsson, (Thu Nov 16, 7:50 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 12:30 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 1:01 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 1:30 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Sean, (Thu Nov 16, 1:44 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Wed Nov 15, 5:08 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Jerome Lovy, (Tue Nov 21, 9:25 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 5:45 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Wed Nov 15, 6:52 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Sean, (Wed Nov 15, 7:07 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Shawn Pearce, (Wed Nov 15, 7:02 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 7:33 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 12:37 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Thu Nov 16, 1:57 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 2:23 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 4:41 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Fri Nov 17, 5:18 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 7:29 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Johannes Schindelin, (Fri Nov 17, 6:11 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Shawn Pearce, (Fri Nov 17, 12:58 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 7:41 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Wed Nov 15, 11:02 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Andreas Ericsson, (Thu Nov 16, 7:35 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 8:08 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 11:07 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 11:43 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 5:31 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 5:40 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 5:52 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Karl , (Fri Nov 17, 8:20 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 5:59 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 2:43 pm)
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Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Marko Macek, (Wed Nov 15, 3:05 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Sean, (Wed Nov 15, 6:28 pm)
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Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Marko Macek, (Thu Nov 16, 2:07 am)
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