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To: Nicolas Pitre <nico@...>
Cc: Petr Baudis <pasky@...>, Junio C Hamano <junkio@...>, <git@...>
Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 4:50 pm

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006, Nicolas Pitre wrote:

If you're a dog owner, the obvious counterpart for "fetch" is "throw" ;)

I think "get" and "put" would be bad, just because of confusion with 
"sccs get" (ie it has that "get this file" connotations).

Maybe "fetch" and "push" aren't totally diametrically opposite, but 
really, I don't think they are that hard to understand either. We do have 
the BK legacy of "pull" implying a merge, and that's fairly fundamental. 

It's also true that in a lot of usage schenarios, what people actually 
_use_ is "pull" and "push", and no, they aren't mirror images (since push 
will _not_ do the merge), but at the same time, from a _usage_ standpoint 
they really _are_ each others opposites. 

You "pull" to get other peoples data into your branch (and once you've 
internalized local branches and the merge thing, you know what this 
means), and you "push" to push your changes out. It really _is_ the usage 
schenario, and using "opposite" words really _does_ make sense.

It's true that _technically_ "fetch" is the opposite of "push", but at the 
same time, that really is about technology, not about usage models. You 
normally wouldn't do a "git fetch + git push" pair. You _can_ do so, but 
it's not the natural way to work - unless you're just doing a mirror 
service.

		Linus
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Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Jakub Narebski, (Tue Nov 14, 5:30 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Tue Nov 14, 5:34 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Tue Nov 14, 6:56 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Tue Nov 14, 9:48 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Tue Nov 14, 10:10 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Petr Baudis, (Wed Nov 15, 4:12 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 4:26 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 4:50 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 5:18 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 12:20 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 2:03 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Petr Baudis, (Thu Nov 16, 12:30 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Theodore Tso, (Wed Nov 15, 9:14 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 12:21 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Theodore Tso, (Thu Nov 16, 12:07 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts , Sanjoy Mahajan, (Wed Nov 22, 7:21 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Theodore Tso, (Thu Nov 16, 12:49 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Alexandre Julliard, (Thu Nov 16, 7:34 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Petr Baudis, (Thu Nov 16, 10:01 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Alexandre Julliard, (Thu Nov 16, 11:48 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Wed Nov 15, 9:20 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 11:12 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 7:00 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 7:22 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 8:05 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts , Horst H. von Brand, (Wed Nov 22, 10:52 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Thu Nov 16, 9:34 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Fri Nov 17, 2:42 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 3:32 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Fri Nov 17, 9:24 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 8:39 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 8:52 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 8:13 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 9:25 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 8:37 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 8:27 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Petr Baudis, (Thu Nov 16, 8:35 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 6:45 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 12:23 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 12:42 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 1:17 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 2:13 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 1:57 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 2:28 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 3:47 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 3:53 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 2:27 pm)
Re: multi-project repos (was Re: Cleaning up git user-interf..., Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 6:21 pm)
Re: multi-project repos (was Re: Cleaning up git user-interf..., Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 7:36 pm)
Re: multi-project repos (was Re: Cleaning up git user-interf..., Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 9:22 pm)
Re: multi-project repos (was Re: Cleaning up git user-interf..., Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 10:16 pm)
Re: multi-project repos, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 6:44 pm)
Re: multi-project repos, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 8:29 pm)
Re: multi-project repos, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 1:39 pm)
Re: multi-project repos, Shawn Pearce, (Sat Nov 18, 2:02 am)
Re: multi-project repos, Junio C Hamano, (Sat Nov 18, 3:31 am)
Re: multi-project repos, Shawn Pearce, (Sat Nov 18, 3:45 am)
Re: multi-project repos, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 4:24 pm)
Re: multi-project repos, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 2:33 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 7:11 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 9:03 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 9:11 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 7:47 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts , Horst H. von Brand, (Mon Nov 20, 3:44 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Shawn Pearce, (Mon Nov 20, 3:46 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 10:03 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Wed Nov 15, 10:30 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 11:27 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 12:07 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 11:35 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Andy Parkins, (Wed Nov 15, 2:58 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 3:32 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 3:18 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Wed Nov 15, 3:39 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 4:09 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 4:21 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 4:40 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Theodore Tso, (Thu Nov 16, 12:26 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Andreas Ericsson, (Thu Nov 16, 7:50 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 12:30 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 1:01 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 1:30 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Sean, (Thu Nov 16, 1:44 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Wed Nov 15, 5:08 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Jerome Lovy, (Tue Nov 21, 9:25 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 5:45 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Wed Nov 15, 6:52 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Sean, (Wed Nov 15, 7:07 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Shawn Pearce, (Wed Nov 15, 7:02 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 7:33 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 12:37 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Thu Nov 16, 1:57 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 2:23 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 4:41 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Fri Nov 17, 5:18 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 7:29 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Johannes Schindelin, (Fri Nov 17, 6:11 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Shawn Pearce, (Fri Nov 17, 12:58 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 7:41 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Wed Nov 15, 11:02 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Andreas Ericsson, (Thu Nov 16, 7:35 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 8:08 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 11:07 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 11:43 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 5:31 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 5:40 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 5:52 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Karl , (Fri Nov 17, 8:20 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 5:59 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 2:43 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Shawn Pearce, (Wed Nov 15, 2:49 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Marko Macek, (Wed Nov 15, 3:05 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Sean, (Wed Nov 15, 6:28 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 4:41 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Marko Macek, (Thu Nov 16, 2:07 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Shawn Pearce, (Wed Nov 15, 6:07 pm)
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