Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts

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From: Nicolas Pitre
Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 - 6:48 pm

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, Junio C Hamano wrote:


Dunno.  I feel this is a bit overboard.  Actually the naming problem is 
rather localized to one command, namely git-pull.  In my opinion going 
with yet another namespace which would rather add to the confusion not 
clear it.

The best way to avoid user confusion is to remove the source of the 
confusion not let it live.  In other words I think we should _fix_ 
git-pull instead of replacing it.  People are already confused about it 
so simply fixing this command will have a net confusion reduction.  Yet 
we're not talking about "suddenly doing something completely different" 
either.  If git-pull doesn't merge automatically anymore it is easy to 
tell people to use git-merge after a pull.

"You pull the remote changes with 'git-pull upstream,, then you can 
merge them in your current branch with 'git-merge upstream'."

Isn't it much simpler to understand (and to teach) that way?

Also I don't think using git-upload and git-download is much better.  
This adds yet more commands that do almost the same as existing ones but 
with a different name which is yet not necessarily fully adequate.  I 
for example would think that "download" is more like git-clone than 
git-fetch or git-pull.

Let's face it: HG got it right with pull and push and newbies have much 
less difficulty grokking it.  We screwed it by not using the most 
intuitive semantic of a pull and locking the word "pull" away is not the 
better solution given all considerations. Why just not admit it and 
avoid being different than HG just for the sake of it?


Nicolas
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Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Jakub Narebski, (Tue Nov 14, 2:30 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Tue Nov 14, 2:34 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Tue Nov 14, 3:56 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Tue Nov 14, 6:48 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Tue Nov 14, 7:10 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Tue Nov 14, 7:27 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Tue Nov 14, 9:20 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Tue Nov 14, 9:58 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 11:03 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 11:43 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Shawn Pearce, (Wed Nov 15, 11:49 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Andy Parkins, (Wed Nov 15, 11:58 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Marko Macek, (Wed Nov 15, 12:05 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 12:18 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 12:32 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Wed Nov 15, 12:39 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 1:09 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Petr Baudis, (Wed Nov 15, 1:12 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 1:21 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 1:26 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 1:40 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 1:41 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 1:50 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Wed Nov 15, 2:08 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 2:18 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 2:31 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 2:40 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 2:45 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 2:52 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 2:59 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Shawn Pearce, (Wed Nov 15, 3:07 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Sean, (Wed Nov 15, 3:28 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Wed Nov 15, 3:52 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Shawn Pearce, (Wed Nov 15, 4:02 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Sean, (Wed Nov 15, 4:07 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 4:33 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 5:08 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Theodore Tso, (Wed Nov 15, 6:14 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Wed Nov 15, 6:20 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 7:03 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Wed Nov 15, 7:30 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Wed Nov 15, 8:02 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 8:07 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Nov 15, 8:12 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 8:27 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 8:35 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Nicolas Pitre, (Wed Nov 15, 8:43 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 9:07 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Wed Nov 15, 9:21 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Theodore Tso, (Wed Nov 15, 9:26 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Petr Baudis, (Wed Nov 15, 9:30 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Marko Macek, (Wed Nov 15, 11:07 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 3:45 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 4:11 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Alexandre Julliard, (Thu Nov 16, 4:34 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Andreas Ericsson, (Thu Nov 16, 4:35 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 4:47 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Andreas Ericsson, (Thu Nov 16, 4:50 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 6:03 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 6:11 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Petr Baudis, (Thu Nov 16, 7:01 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Alexandre Julliard, (Thu Nov 16, 8:48 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Theodore Tso, (Thu Nov 16, 9:07 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 9:23 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 9:30 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 9:37 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 9:42 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Theodore Tso, (Thu Nov 16, 9:49 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 10:01 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 10:17 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 10:30 am)
multi-project repos (was Re: Cleaning up git user-interfac ..., Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 10:40 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Sean, (Thu Nov 16, 10:44 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Thu Nov 16, 10:57 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 10:57 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 11:13 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 11:23 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 11:27 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 11:28 am)
Re: multi-project repos, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 11:33 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 12:47 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 12:53 pm)
Re: multi-project repos (was Re: Cleaning up git user-inte ..., Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 3:21 pm)
Re: multi-project repos, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 3:44 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 4:00 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 4:22 pm)
Re: multi-project repos (was Re: Cleaning up git user-inte ..., Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 4:36 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 5:05 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Thu Nov 16, 5:13 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 5:27 pm)
Re: multi-project repos, Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 5:29 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Petr Baudis, (Thu Nov 16, 5:35 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 5:37 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 16, 5:39 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Han-Wen Nienhuys, (Thu Nov 16, 5:52 pm)
Re: multi-project repos (was Re: Cleaning up git user-inte ..., Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 6:22 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Thu Nov 16, 6:25 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Thu Nov 16, 6:34 pm)
Re: multi-project repos (was Re: Cleaning up git user-inte ..., Johannes Schindelin, (Thu Nov 16, 7:16 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Thu Nov 16, 11:42 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 12:32 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 1:41 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Carl Worth, (Fri Nov 17, 2:18 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Johannes Schindelin, (Fri Nov 17, 3:11 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 4:29 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 4:41 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Karl , (Fri Nov 17, 5:20 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Shawn Pearce, (Fri Nov 17, 9:58 am)
Re: multi-project repos, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 10:39 am)
Re: multi-project repos, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Nov 17, 1:24 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Michael K. Edwards, (Fri Nov 17, 6:24 pm)
Re: multi-project repos, Shawn Pearce, (Fri Nov 17, 11:02 pm)
Re: multi-project repos, Junio C Hamano, (Sat Nov 18, 12:31 am)
Re: multi-project repos, Shawn Pearce, (Sat Nov 18, 12:45 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts , Horst H. von Brand, (Mon Nov 20, 12:44 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Shawn Pearce, (Mon Nov 20, 12:46 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts, Jerome Lovy, (Tue Nov 21, 6:25 am)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts , Sanjoy Mahajan, (Wed Nov 22, 4:21 pm)
Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts , Horst H. von Brand, (Wed Nov 22, 7:52 pm)