Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle

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From: Linus Torvalds
Date: Friday, October 20, 2006 - 10:59 am

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006, Jakub Narebski wrote:

There are lots of problems with file ID's. One of the more obvious ones is 
indeed that if you arrive at the same state two different ways (eg patches 
vs "native SCM"), you end up with two fundmanetally different trees. Even 
though clearly there was no real difference.

There are other serious problems. For example, file-ID based systems 
invariably have _huge_ problems with handling two branches deleting and 
renaming things differently, and we had several issues with that during 
the BK days (ie two people would move files differently, and ending up 
with different file ID's for the same path, and merging that inevitably 
causes problems not just during the merge, but ever after, since one of 
the file ID's will then have to be "deleted" even though it might be 
active in one of the branches).

Finally, file-ID based systems fundamentally cannot handle some simple and 
interesting cases, like partial content movement. We're starting to see 
git actually being able to track file content moving between files: even 
when the files themselves didn't move (ie Junio's "git pickaxe" work could 
do things like that).

And there really aren't as many advantages to tracking renames as people 
claim. The biggest advantage of tracking renames is to avoid the trap that 
CVS fell into: being file-ID based _and_ not being able to track the file 
ID moving is clearly the worst of all worlds.

So for anybody coming from a CVS background, tracking renames explicitly 
is a _huge_ advantage, which is, I think, why some SCM people have gotten 
so hung up about them. It's just that if you don't have the file-ID 
problem in the first place (and git doesn't), then rename tracking doesn't 
actually make any sense, and only makes things much worse.

			Linus
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Jakub Narebski, (Fri Oct 20, 7:56 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Aaron Bentley, (Fri Oct 20, 8:34 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Jakub Narebski, (Fri Oct 20, 9:21 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Aaron Bentley, (Fri Oct 20, 10:03 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Oct 20, 10:18 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Shawn Pearce, (Fri Oct 20, 10:21 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Jakub Narebski, (Fri Oct 20, 10:45 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Aaron Bentley, (Fri Oct 20, 10:47 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Oct 20, 10:48 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, David Lang, (Fri Oct 20, 10:58 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Oct 20, 10:59 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Oct 20, 11:06 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Jan Hudec, (Fri Oct 20, 11:12 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Jon Smirl, (Fri Oct 20, 11:15 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Oct 20, 11:30 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Jakub Narebski, (Fri Oct 20, 11:35 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Jakub Narebski, (Fri Oct 20, 11:46 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Jakub Narebski, (Fri Oct 20, 11:47 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Oct 20, 11:48 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Oct 20, 12:00 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Aaron Bentley, (Fri Oct 20, 12:04 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Aaron Bentley, (Fri Oct 20, 12:10 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Jakub Narebski, (Fri Oct 20, 12:14 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Oct 20, 12:31 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Oct 20, 12:46 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Aaron Bentley, (Fri Oct 20, 1:12 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Oct 20, 1:17 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Petr Baudis, (Fri Oct 20, 1:23 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Aaron Bentley, (Fri Oct 20, 1:29 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, David Lang, (Fri Oct 20, 1:49 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Shawn Pearce, (Fri Oct 20, 1:53 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Petr Baudis, (Fri Oct 20, 1:53 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, David Lang, (Fri Oct 20, 1:55 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Oct 20, 1:57 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Jeff Licquia, (Fri Oct 20, 3:13 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Petr Baudis, (Fri Oct 20, 3:40 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Jeff King, (Fri Oct 20, 3:59 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Robert Collins, (Fri Oct 20, 4:05 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Robert Collins, (Fri Oct 20, 4:15 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Aaron Bentley, (Fri Oct 20, 4:33 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Jeff Licquia, (Fri Oct 20, 4:39 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Oct 20, 4:59 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Junio C Hamano, (Fri Oct 20, 6:26 pm)
git-merge-recursive, was Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Add ..., Johannes Schindelin, (Fri Oct 20, 7:03 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Matthieu Moy, (Sat Oct 21, 12:56 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Jakub Narebski, (Sat Oct 21, 1:36 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Jakub Narebski, (Sat Oct 21, 1:40 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Matthieu Moy, (Sat Oct 21, 3:09 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Jakub Narebski, (Sat Oct 21, 3:34 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Jan Hudec, (Sat Oct 21, 10:40 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Jakub Narebski, (Sat Oct 21, 10:51 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Oct 21, 11:42 am)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Jan Hudec, (Sat Oct 21, 12:20 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Jakub Narebski, (Sat Oct 21, 12:21 pm)
[PATCH] threeway_merge: if file will not be touched, leave ..., Johannes Schindelin, (Sun Oct 22, 2:04 pm)
Re: [PATCH] threeway_merge: if file will not be touched, l ..., Johannes Schindelin, (Sun Oct 22, 5:48 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Matthew Hannigan, (Thu Nov 2, 8:43 pm)
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Example Cogito Addon - cogito-bundle, Martin Langhoff, (Thu Nov 2, 11:36 pm)