Re: OPIE Challenge sequence

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To: Ivan Grover <ivangrvr299@...>
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Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008 - 11:37 am

"Ivan Grover" writes:

There is no way to deduce the next challenge from the current one. This
is documented in the opie(4) man page.

Here's the only advisory I could find for OPIE:

http://security.freebsd.org/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-06:12.opie.asc

> I ask this because usually the challenge/response implementations

OPIE cannot use random challenges, because one of the requirements is
that it should be possible to print a list of pre-generated responses.

The advantage of OPIE over traditional passwords is that OPIE is not
vulnerable to replay attacks, but this is not as relevant these days as
it was back when S/Key (on which OPIE is based) was designed. Replay
attacks aren't very effective against encrypted protocols such as SSH.

> My problem is to determine the best challenge/response implementation

Systems like OPIE, where the challenge is actually issued to the user
and not just to the user's software, require the user to have access to
a response calculator, or to carry a sheet of precalculated responses.
The former is difficult unless the users always log in from their own
desktop or laptop computer, and the latter is usually a bad idea since
someone might steel the sheet. On the bright side, it should be fairly
easy to write an OTP calculator that run on a cell phone, such as an
S60-based Nokia phones or an iPhone.

I'd say that the only advantage of OPIE today is that it's free.

DES
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Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@des.no
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