Re: sbrk(2) broken

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Date: Monday, January 7, 2008 - 9:37 pm

> For performance reasons, malloc(3) will hold on to a number of pages

Although the primary concern is malloc(), I would like to point out that=20
various programs implementing copying garbage collection could more=20
efficiently give memory back to the system than malloc(), and could therefo=
r=20
benefit more than malloc() from some kind of feedback from the kernel.

There was concern over the complexity involved with intelligently doing=20
something about the memory pressure hints in userspace, but this does not=20
apply here since the allocator/garbage collection would be the equivalent o=
f=20
malloc() and complexity there would not affect application code.

The problem with malloc() being that, unless I am missing something, malloc=
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will never be able to give back memory to the kernel except insofar as the=
=20
memory mapped is continuously unused between some location and the break (i=
n=20
the case of sbrk()) or over the entire range (mmap()). malloc() cannot forc=
e=20
this to be the case, since pointers must remain valid. The possibility of=20
reclamation is then often going to be limited to completely unused space=20
being held by malloc() for future use, rather than also applying to areas=20
already used for allocation.

Programs implementing copying GC, or able to for some other reason to move=
=20
allocated memory around, could compact the heap and give back left-over=20
memory. In some cases this would only entail a temporary improvement due to=
=20
defragmentation, but in others (such as a long-running program spiking in=20
memory use, only then to drop a lot of that memory) it could have a pretty=
=20
massive effect on memory use.

Where a malloc() using program might be unable to sbrk() or munmap() becaus=
e=20
there happens to be some left-over non-free piece of memory at the top of t=
he=20
mapped range, a GC could use indications from the system to ensure this is=
=20
not the case (depending on details of the implementation; for example,=20
compactation of tenured generations could be forced early, etc).

(This is not to say I am aware of any implementation that actually supports=
=20
this, but on the other hand perhaps that is due to the lack of operating=20
systems that provide the required feedback.)

=2D-=20
/ Peter Schuller

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sbrk(2) broken, Jason Evans, (Thu Jan 3, 2:38 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Andrey Chernov, (Fri Jan 4, 8:21 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken , Poul-Henning Kamp, (Fri Jan 4, 8:57 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Andrey Chernov, (Fri Jan 4, 9:12 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, David Taylor, (Fri Jan 4, 9:25 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Andrey Chernov, (Fri Jan 4, 10:22 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken , Poul-Henning Kamp, (Fri Jan 4, 9:28 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Kostik Belousov, (Thu Jan 3, 4:39 pm)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Dag-Erling Smørgrav, (Thu Jan 3, 3:21 pm)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Robert Watson, (Thu Jan 3, 8:26 pm)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Igor Mozolevsky, (Fri Jan 4, 6:41 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Robert Watson, (Fri Jan 4, 7:19 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Dag-Erling Smørgrav, (Fri Jan 4, 6:55 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Igor Mozolevsky, (Fri Jan 4, 7:18 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Giorgos Keramidas, (Fri Jan 4, 11:26 pm)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Dag-Erling Smørgrav, (Fri Jan 4, 8:45 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken , Poul-Henning Kamp, (Fri Jan 4, 8:53 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Igor Mozolevsky, (Fri Jan 4, 9:03 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Dag-Erling Smørgrav, (Fri Jan 4, 9:12 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Kostik Belousov, (Fri Jan 4, 9:48 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken , Poul-Henning Kamp, (Mon Jan 7, 5:08 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Peter Jeremy, (Mon Jan 7, 5:58 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken , Poul-Henning Kamp, (Mon Jan 7, 6:05 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Igor Mozolevsky, (Mon Jan 7, 9:15 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken , Poul-Henning Kamp, (Mon Jan 7, 9:18 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Andrew Reilly, (Mon Jan 7, 7:19 pm)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Igor Mozolevsky, (Mon Jan 7, 8:06 pm)
Re: sbrk(2) broken , Poul-Henning Kamp, (Mon Jan 7, 8:17 pm)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Peter Schuller, (Mon Jan 7, 9:37 pm)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Dag-Erling Smørgrav, (Tue Jan 8, 2:36 pm)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Peter Schuller, (Wed Jan 9, 2:22 pm)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Dag-Erling Smørgrav, (Thu Jan 10, 6:04 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Dag-Erling Smørgrav, (Thu Jan 10, 10:31 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Igor Mozolevsky, (Mon Jan 7, 8:57 pm)
Re: sbrk(2) broken , Poul-Henning Kamp, (Tue Jan 8, 4:31 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Alexander Kabaev, (Mon Jan 7, 10:34 pm)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Andrew Reilly, (Mon Jan 7, 8:28 pm)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Robert Watson, (Fri Jan 4, 9:24 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Dag-Erling Smørgrav, (Sat Jan 5, 9:50 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Kris Kennaway, (Fri Jan 4, 7:31 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Robert Watson, (Fri Jan 4, 7:22 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Igor Mozolevsky, (Fri Jan 4, 7:30 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Robert Watson, (Fri Jan 4, 7:38 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Dag-Erling Smørgrav, (Fri Jan 4, 8:48 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Dag-Erling Smørgrav, (Fri Jan 4, 5:32 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Robert Watson, (Fri Jan 4, 7:06 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Skip Ford, (Fri Jan 4, 9:54 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Kostik Belousov, (Fri Jan 4, 9:59 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Skip Ford, (Fri Jan 4, 10:11 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Kostik Belousov, (Fri Jan 4, 10:18 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Skip Ford, (Fri Jan 4, 10:58 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Dag-Erling Smørgrav, (Sat Jan 5, 10:01 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Dag-Erling Smørgrav, (Fri Jan 4, 8:34 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Robert Watson, (Fri Jan 4, 9:26 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken , Ian FREISLICH, (Fri Jan 4, 2:27 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Peter Jeremy, (Fri Jan 4, 5:51 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Kostik Belousov, (Fri Jan 4, 8:47 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Scott Long, (Thu Jan 3, 6:23 pm)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, John Baldwin, (Thu Jan 3, 6:46 pm)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Scott Long, (Thu Jan 3, 7:08 pm)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Robert Watson, (Thu Jan 3, 8:31 pm)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Peter Schuller, (Thu Jan 3, 5:00 pm)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Jason Fesler, (Thu Jan 3, 5:08 pm)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Dag-Erling Smørgrav, (Fri Jan 4, 5:07 am)
Re: sbrk(2) broken, Tim Kientzle, (Fri Jan 4, 1:55 pm)
ELF dynamic loader name [was: sbrk(2) broken], Maxim Sobolev, (Fri Jan 4, 5:25 pm)
Re: ELF dynamic loader name [was: sbrk(2) broken], Peter Wemm, (Fri Jan 4, 5:42 pm)
Re: ELF dynamic loader name [was: sbrk(2) broken], Tim Kientzle, (Fri Jan 4, 11:51 pm)
Re: ELF dynamic loader name, Dag-Erling Smørgrav, (Sat Jan 5, 10:16 am)
Re: ELF dynamic loader name, Tim Kientzle, (Sun Jan 13, 3:33 pm)
Re: ELF dynamic loader name, John Baldwin, (Mon Jan 14, 9:51 am)
Re: ELF dynamic loader name, Dag-Erling Smørgrav, (Sun Jan 13, 3:48 pm)
Re: ELF dynamic loader name, John Baldwin, (Mon Jan 14, 9:46 am)
Re: ELF dynamic loader name, Alexander Leidinger, (Mon Jan 14, 7:03 am)
Re: ELF dynamic loader name [was: sbrk(2) broken] , Danny Braniss, (Sat Jan 5, 3:32 am)
Re: ELF dynamic loader name [was: sbrk(2) broken], Peter Wemm, (Sat Jan 5, 6:24 pm)
Re: ELF dynamic loader name [was: sbrk(2) broken] , Danny Braniss, (Sun Jan 6, 3:56 am)
Re: ELF dynamic loader name [was: sbrk(2) broken], Andrew Reilly, (Sun Jan 6, 4:42 pm)
Re: ELF dynamic loader name, Dag-Erling Smørgrav, (Mon Jan 7, 5:42 am)
Re: ELF dynamic loader name, Andrew Reilly, (Mon Jan 7, 7:30 pm)
Re: ELF dynamic loader name, Dag-Erling Smørgrav, (Tue Jan 8, 5:27 am)
Re: ELF dynamic loader name [was: sbrk(2) broken], Maxim Sobolev, (Fri Jan 4, 7:42 pm)
Re: ELF dynamic loader name [was: sbrk(2) broken], Maxim Sobolev, (Fri Jan 4, 7:38 pm)
Re: ELF dynamic loader name, Dag-Erling Smørgrav, (Sat Jan 5, 10:03 am)
Re: ELF dynamic loader name, Ollivier Robert, (Sat Jan 5, 4:56 pm)