Re: Should we simply disallow ZFS on FreeBSD/i386?

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To: Adam McDougall <mcdouga9@...>
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Date: Sunday, January 6, 2008 - 8:58 pm

Adam McDougall wrote:

In Russian we have a good saying: "You can teach a bear to ride a 
bicycle, but will it ever enjoy it?"

The same is here - seemingly due to the ZFS design limitations and 
limitations of the FreeBSD kernel you can't get ZFS to run reliably out 
of the box on i386. Yes, you can probably do some tweaks here and there, 
to make it more of less stable given the workload, but that's not what 
most of the FreeBSD users expect from the file system. Unlike you, most 
of administrators won't even bother to read tweaking documentation 
explaining why ZFS is so tricky in i386, let alone doing actual 
trial-and-error to determine the right set of tunables. More likely at 
the first incident they would just dismiss FreeBSD/ZFS as a crap.

-Maxim
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When will ZFS become stable?, Ivan Voras, (Fri Jan 4, 7:42 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Dag-Erling Smørgrav, (Mon Jan 7, 10:04 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Ivan Voras, (Mon Jan 7, 10:37 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Andrew Thompson, (Mon Jan 7, 4:46 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Pawel Jakub Dawidek, (Mon Jan 7, 5:59 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Ivan Voras, (Mon Jan 7, 6:30 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Oliver Fromme, (Tue Jan 8, 1:58 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Mark Powell, (Sat Jan 12, 5:45 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Dag-Erling Smørgrav, (Tue Jan 8, 2:24 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Scot Hetzel, (Wed Jan 9, 1:39 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Ivan Voras, (Tue Jan 8, 7:16 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Dan Nelson, (Wed Jan 9, 1:45 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Steve Kargl, (Tue Jan 8, 1:59 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Igor Mozolevsky, (Mon Jan 7, 9:17 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Robert Watson, (Sun Jan 6, 11:36 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Ivan Voras, (Sun Jan 6, 12:47 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Kris Kennaway, (Sun Jan 6, 1:20 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Ivan Voras, (Sun Jan 6, 1:36 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Claus Guttesen, (Sun Jan 6, 4:00 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Kris Kennaway, (Sun Jan 6, 2:10 pm)
ZFS honesty, Scott Long, (Sun Jan 6, 5:00 pm)
Re: ZFS honesty, 韓家標 Bill Hacker, (Sun Jan 6, 6:20 pm)
Re: ZFS honesty, Ivan Voras, (Sun Jan 6, 6:43 pm)
Re: ZFS honesty, 韓家標 Bill Hacker, (Sun Jan 6, 6:58 pm)
Re: ZFS honesty, Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko..., (Sun Jan 6, 8:03 pm)
Re: ZFS honesty, 韓家標 Bill Hacker, (Sun Jan 6, 10:29 pm)
Re: ZFS honesty, Andrew Gallatin, (Wed Jan 9, 9:23 am)
Re: ZFS honesty, Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko..., (Wed Jan 9, 10:55 am)
Re: ZFS honesty, Andrew Gallatin, (Wed Jan 9, 11:36 am)
Re: ZFS honesty, Alexandre Biancalana, (Mon Jan 7, 11:23 am)
Re: ZFS honesty, Kris Kennaway, (Sun Jan 6, 5:32 pm)
Re: ZFS honesty, Scott Long, (Sun Jan 6, 5:54 pm)
Re: ZFS honesty, Ivan Voras, (Sun Jan 6, 6:33 pm)
Re: ZFS honesty, Ivan Voras, (Sun Jan 6, 9:16 pm)
Re: ZFS honesty, 韓家標 Bill Hacker, (Sun Jan 6, 6:32 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Robert Watson, (Sun Jan 6, 1:08 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Darren Reed, (Tue Jan 22, 11:09 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Ivan Voras, (Sun Jan 6, 1:28 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Kris Kennaway, (Sun Jan 6, 1:43 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Ivan Voras, (Sun Jan 6, 2:00 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Kris Kennaway, (Sun Jan 6, 2:09 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Ivan Voras, (Sun Jan 6, 2:49 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Brooks Davis, (Fri Jan 4, 12:33 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Ivan Voras, (Fri Jan 4, 1:58 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Peter Schuller, (Sun Jan 6, 5:51 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Ivan Voras, (Sun Jan 6, 8:58 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Kris Kennaway, (Sun Jan 6, 9:07 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Henri Hennebert, (Sun Jan 6, 11:48 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Kris Kennaway, (Sun Jan 6, 12:03 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Henri Hennebert, (Sun Jan 6, 12:47 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Kris Kennaway, (Sun Jan 6, 1:13 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Maciej Suszko, (Sun Jan 6, 9:46 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Kris Kennaway, (Sun Jan 6, 11:46 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Maciej Suszko, (Sun Jan 6, 12:05 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Kris Kennaway, (Sun Jan 6, 12:22 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Maciej Suszko, (Sun Jan 6, 3:56 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Ivan Voras, (Sun Jan 6, 9:50 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Kris Kennaway, (Sun Jan 6, 10:27 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Ivan Voras, (Sun Jan 6, 10:51 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Kris Kennaway, (Sun Jan 6, 11:08 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Ivan Voras, (Sun Jan 6, 12:45 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Kris Kennaway, (Sun Jan 6, 1:12 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Gary Corcoran, (Sun Jan 6, 2:48 pm)
Should we simply disallow ZFS on FreeBSD/i386?, Maxim Sobolev, (Sun Jan 6, 5:56 pm)
Re: Should we simply disallow ZFS on FreeBSD/i386?, Joao Barros, (Mon Jan 7, 10:52 am)
Re: Should we simply disallow ZFS on FreeBSD/i386?, Peter Schuller, (Mon Jan 7, 1:06 pm)
Re: Should we simply disallow ZFS on FreeBSD/i386?, Alexander Kabaev, (Mon Jan 7, 6:47 pm)
Re: Should we simply disallow ZFS on FreeBSD/i386?, Christian Walther, (Mon Jan 7, 3:10 am)
Re: Should we simply disallow ZFS on FreeBSD/i386?, Igor Mozolevsky, (Mon Jan 7, 4:20 am)
Re: Should we simply disallow ZFS on FreeBSD/i386?, Christian Walther, (Mon Jan 7, 4:51 am)
Re: Should we simply disallow ZFS on FreeBSD/i386?, Erich Dollansky, (Sun Jan 6, 7:39 pm)
Re: Should we simply disallow ZFS on FreeBSD/i386?, Oliver Fromme, (Tue Jan 8, 1:51 pm)
Re: Should we simply disallow ZFS on FreeBSD/i386?, Adam McDougall, (Sun Jan 6, 7:32 pm)
Re: Should we simply disallow ZFS on FreeBSD/i386?, David Taylor, (Tue Jan 8, 3:56 am)
Re: Should we simply disallow ZFS on FreeBSD/i386?, Maxim Sobolev, (Sun Jan 6, 8:58 pm)
Re: Should we simply disallow ZFS on FreeBSD/i386?, Bernd Walter, (Mon Jan 7, 11:36 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Ivan Voras, (Sun Jan 6, 1:20 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Kris Kennaway, (Sun Jan 6, 1:34 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Vadim Goncharov, (Sun Jan 6, 4:56 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Kris Kennaway, (Sun Jan 6, 5:42 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Robert Watson, (Sun Jan 6, 6:33 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Vadim Goncharov, (Mon Jan 7, 11:16 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Robert Watson, (Mon Jan 7, 11:39 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Vadim Goncharov, (Mon Jan 7, 7:28 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Robert Watson, (Mon Jan 7, 7:39 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Vadim Goncharov, (Tue Jan 8, 2:58 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Robert Watson, (Tue Jan 8, 3:22 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Ivan Voras, (Sun Jan 6, 6:45 pm)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Robert Watson, (Tue Jan 8, 5:19 am)
Re: When will ZFS become stable?, Brooks Davis, (Fri Jan 4, 2:12 pm)