Justin C. Sherrill wrote:
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> Don't a number of Linux systems ship without those tools unless added via
> a separate package?  I know, I know - "it's that way in Linux" isn't
> necessarily a compelling reason.

AARRGGHH!

yeaah, and in most "distros" so is the kernel,
and so is the bourne shell, and so is awk, and so is grep
10: and so is ...
20: GOTO 10

using the word 'linux' and 'system' can sometimes be an oxymoron.

Unix:

at origin:

A self-contained 7" tape of the unix source tree,
and a self-hosting build of that self-same source tree.

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That's an 'operating system' - it "operates system".

IMHO, 2c, YMMV, Amen.