Jeffrey Hsu wrote:
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> >  FreeBSD has moved most of their ppp, atm, pppoe, and other
> > features to netgraph and ours are pretty decrepit so getting this
> > working post-release will be a big benefit to our network stack.
>
> I'm on record as saying I think we should axe netgraph completely,
> rather than updating it.  NetBSD and OpenBSD do no have netgraph
> and they have working ppp, pppoe, and atm, so clearly netgraph is
> not required for ppp, pppoe, and atm.

And for bluetooth ... In fact we have bluetooth stack from NetBSD in the 
tree already.

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> In fact, the big problem I have with having netgraph in our system is 
> then unsuspecting newbies might think they have to use it to do their 
> networking work. I've never met anyone who tried to used netgraph who 
> didn't curse its very existence.

Well. As far as I can see, it has its' purpose. It might speed up 
significantly prototyping work. But yes, the problem is that these 
prototypes are gone into production. That's exactly what happened with a 
lot of stuff using netgraph in FreeBSD.

So, I clearly prefer stuff not using netgraph, but as long as no one 
stepped up and ported or implemented it, it has to stay. 


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Hasso Tepper