Not while people are still making major commits :-). 

    I am reworking the MACHINE and MACHINE_ARCH stuff today.  We could
    theoretically branch tomorrow but it only creates more headaches
    if it is done while people are still committing major work so it
    could be delayed until the weekend.

    The release date has not changed.  End of the next week (a week and a
    half from now).

					-Matt
					Matthew Dillon 
					<dillon@backplane.com>

Im just getting a bit impatient. I want to upgrade our new mailserver 
from 1.6 to 1.8 before I move it to the datacentre for production so I 
can move onto different projects. Is it still happening today?

Petr

please stop nagging.  you're like a small child.  if you want the latest =
code, update to -DEVEL.  there won't be many changes relative to that.

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If you dont like my question for whatever reason, too bad, you should 
ignore it. Don't presume that I have no valid reason to ask it though.


Petr

I don't care about your reason.  The point is that - at least to me and s=
ome other developers - these questions and the overall tone in your email=
s does not really encourage to help you.  If you read mails from all othe=
r people posting, you will notice that they are polite.  Yours are bluntl=
y demanding, at least that's my personal impression.  You might want to w=
ork on that.

cheers
  simon

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I think you are being slightly absurd. If you want DragonFly to go into 
businesses/corporations you have to be prepared they *have* demands , 
and they are much bigger than mine "is it gonna be branched today as 
planned", which i hope you do unless you want DragonFly to be a needle 
in a heap of sand forever. If you think that your attitude by calling me 
a nagging kid will attract people to this operating system, least of all 
businesses, then you are *dead* wrong. How would you feel If I called 
you a "a slow and lazy dev". If you want to be abusive you should join 
the Gaim club or OpenBSD, because they have plenty.

But luckily there is no reason whatsoever to succumb to those demands. 
After all, DragonFly is not a commercial organisation where you can buy 
a support contract. Also, if DragonFly should 'go into 
businesses/corporations', I think it should solely (or largely) based on 
its technical merit, not adherence to a fixed schedule of branching the 

His comment didn't strike me as childish, as you could've inferred it 
will take longer than originally planned from various bug reports and 
other postings on the mailing lists. I think you just have to readjust 
your expectations of DragonFly, and perhaps it's better for you to go 
with a Linux with a support contract from one of the big vendors?

Cheers,
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         Thomas E. Spanjaard
         tgen@netphreax.net

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:44:48 +1100


	Personally I would much rather see branching and releases happening
when the developers feel it is ready to happen than on a planned date.

	That being said the DragonFLy team seems to do better at hitting
the planned dates than most commercial OS developments.

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Is this the good ol' EM1987 that has returned?
//Jonas

The devs do a lot of work and the only thing they get throw in their
faces are "when are the branch gonna be made?". I'm not a dev but
these are people that dedicate their free time to develop a nice
operating system and I have a hard time seeing how anybody could make
demands against them.

Lay it off and the branch will be made when they feel it's time for it.

Dunceor

It's possible his site has a policy requiring only stable/release
branches for production use. That would explain why he's on 1.6 and
not something like -PREVIEW. To management it's often about the
superstition that somehow code becomes more stable when it's checked
out from a stable branch. Look at how many people jumped at the chance
to use Linux 2.6 even though the first year or so of revisions was
almost entirely just fixing regressions from 2.4, and introducing
plenty more.

---
Dmitri Nikulin

Centre for Synchrotron Science
Monash University
Victoria 3800, Australia

email: dnikulin@gmail.com