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Open Graphics Project to Announce Pre-Orders

April 12, 2008 - 5:28pm
Submitted by Jeremy on April 12, 2008 - 5:28pm.

Open Graphics Project founder Timothy Miller recently noted on the project's mailing list that they are set to announce that their first hardware, the OGD1, is ready for pre-order. "The OGD1 design has actually been finished for a couple of months now," he began, explaining that they've been setting up a way to process pre-orders for the first 100 boards. The board will retail at $1,500, with a $100 discount offered for the first 100 pre-orders. "These are pre-orders, not orders, Timothy continued, "that means the lead time is unpredictable. We don't have a stock. We will purchase a stock based on the number of pre-orders we get. Also, this means that if we never get a large enough number of pre-orders, we will be unable to fulfill them; all pre-orders would be canceled, and no one would be charged anything." He then explained that though the OGD1 could function as a graphics card, it is instead offered as a competitively priced FPGA development kit, "we need to make it clear what OGD1 is and why buying one is an important step for Free Software," adding:

"OGD1 is for hardware hackers. This isn't just about graphics. If all you wanted was a graphics card that worked with Free Software, we've had that for a long time with Matrox, for some time with Intel, and most recently and significantly with ATI. Where our graphics pipeline will be competitive is in embedded systems. As for long-term goals of this project, there are many different types of peripherals for which we do not have good Free Software support; for instance, wifi. But let's not get ahead of ourselves here. OGD1 is for hardware hackers. It's for the community of people who want to tinker with their own hardware ideas, students who want to learn, and professionals who need a prototyping platform. And of course full schematics and design details for OGD1 are offered under the GPL."


From: Timothy Normand Miller
Date: Apr 11, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: Announcement: Finally ready to announce OGD1 pre-orders

The OGD1 design has actually been finished for a couple of months now.
  In that time, we've been chasing a chick-and-egg problem.  We can
 take all the orders we want, but there's as much as an 8-week lead
 time between when we place our order for 100 boards and when we get
 them so that we can test and then ship them.  It would be
 inappropriate to charge our own customers until we ship to them.  That
 leaves us with a $60000 bill to pay before we have any revenue, and
 that's too much for Andy, Howard, and I to float on our own.  We
 didn't want to make a formal announcement for pre-orders until we
 solved this problem.

 We have now solved the problem and are ready to take pre-orders.

 Traversal's web site is almost ready, and the OHF is working on their
 part, so to get things started, I thought we should discuss marketing
 strategy on the mailing list.  We need to make multiple simultaneous,
 high-profile announcements and word them so as to strongly encourage
 Free Software and Open Hardware enthusiasts to place a pre-order for
 an OGD1 board.  This involves web sites, articles, ads (where we can
 place them for free), and lots of informative materials on what OGD1
 is and what they can expect to get out of it.

 This is a major milestone for open hardware and free software.  We
 need to make it count.  I believe that it is important for the health
 of the FOSS community that we maintain momentum on these efforts.
 Selling OGD1 and then reinvesting that profit into more open hardware
 designs will have a snowball effect on the ability of computer and
 electronics hackers everywhere to be able to use, study, modify, and
 share the hardware they buy.


 Here are some facts about this pre-order situation:

 - We have a quote from the fabricator for 100 boards, so we need to
 get 100 pre-orders.  In fact, fewer would cover the cost (there is a
 profit margin), but there's a risk of people canceling orders while
 they're waiting.  Also, we can place a smaller order, but that will
 increase the per-unit cost to us, which will affect at least our
 developer discount price.  There's also the risk of people placing
 bogus pre-orders, and the solution to that is to place holds (not
 charges) on each of the credit card orders just before we go ahead
 with the fabrication; if we meet the minimum threshold, we do it.

 - The retail price is $1500, but the first 100 pre-orders will get a
 $100 discount.  For deeper discounts, you can put in a request with
 the OHF.  There are two discount levels, $1000 and $700 (depending on
 your level of involvement in the OGP), but we are placing strict
 limits on them.  (If we can get all 100 pre-orders, the deepest
 discount will probably go down to $600.)

 - These are pre-orders, not orders.  That means the lead time is
 unpredictable.  We don't have a stock.  We will purchase a stock based
 on the number of pre-orders we get.  Also, this means that if we never
 get a large enough number of pre-orders, we will be unable to fulfill
 them; all pre-orders would be canceled, and no one would be charged
 anything.

 - There are issues with regard to international sales that we have yet
 to work out.  On the other hand, if we get most of our orders
 internationally, we'll be highly motivated to learn what we need to
 know to handle it properly.  We know people who know this.  We just
 don't know it ourselves yet.

 - The HDL code that we want to pre-program into OGD1 isn't finished.
 It's likely that we'll have it finished before we get 100 pre-orders,
 but there is a chance that it won't be.  We need to he honest about
 this without scaring people off.  Basically, what you're ordering is a
 "blank" FPGA board that you can program to do what you want.  If you
 don't know how to program it, you can't get it to do anything.

 - We often get inquiries about the use of OGD1 as a graphics card.  It
 can easily-enough function as a graphics card, but for most such uses,
 it is badly over-priced.  On the other hand, OGD1 is very
 competitively priced as an FPGA development kit.  We need to make it
 clear what OGD1 is and why buying one is an important step for Free
 Software.

 - OGD1 is for hardware hackers.  This isn't just about graphics.  If
 all you wanted was a graphics card that worked with Free Software,
 we've had that for a long time with Matrox, for some time with Intel,
 and most recently and significantly with ATI.  Where our graphics
 pipeline will be competitive is in embedded systems.  As for long-term
 goals of this project, there are many different types of peripherals
 for which we do not have good Free Software support; for instance,
 wifi.  But let's not get ahead of ourselves here.  OGD1 is for
 hardware hackers.  It's for the community of people who want to tinker
 with their own hardware ideas, students who want to learn, and
 professionals who need a prototyping platform.  And of course full
 schematics and design details for OGD1 are offered under the GPL.

 - Some technical stuff:  The TV chip still has not been tested.  It's
 probably just fine, but we don't know for sure.  The Hirose connector
 will be populated.  The IDC connector (the 100-way connector at the
 far edge) will not be.  There are other minor details.

 - Other things that will come out in the ensuing discussion here.


 So, to partially reiterate, here's what we need to produce:

 - Articles and interviews
 - Ads
 - An electronic brochure
 - Web pages with detailed information
 - Publicity info about OGP, OHF, etc.
 - A convincing argument that will make every FOSS enthusiast want to
 buy an OGD1 board.


 Richard Stallman and the FSF are still interested in helping us with
 the publicity.  We need to provide him with appropriate materials.
 For some of this, we already have things that can be modified to
 include updated info.


 Where shall we start?



 --
 Timothy Normand Miller
 http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~millerti
 Open Graphics Project

Pre-ordering OGD1

April 12, 2008 - 10:19pm

A pre-order form should be up by next weekend. In the mean time, you can contact Traversal Technology to reserve your pre-order at their contact page (http://www.traversaltech.com/contact.phtml).

The Open Hardware Foundation

April 13, 2008 - 2:06pm

I wish Intel, IBM, AMD, Sun Microsystems would join The Open Hardware Foundation...

Scrooge comment

April 13, 2008 - 4:53pm
John Morris (not verified)

Don't wanna rain on anyone's parade or anything..... But if the idea is for the Free Software crowd to get up to speed on FPGA developemnt, isn't this overkill? You can buy a prebuilt dev kit from Xilinx with a VGA port and a lower grade part from the same Spartan-3 family for $349 in quantity one that includes docs. After outgrowing that would be the logical point to want more power.

Xilinx Spartan-3 PCIe Starter kit

End-user graphics card

April 13, 2008 - 6:53pm

I've been following this project from afar, and this is interesting news. I have no use for a FPGA development kit, but I hope this means the project is progressing to the point where we will see a truly open-source end-user graphics card. Despite ATI's recent contributions, I'd still prefer such an open, stable and reasonably performing graphics card for anything from servers to desktops.

Congratulations!

4 times bigger than the xillinx kit

April 14, 2008 - 4:14am
Nicolas (not verified)

John Morris> The FPGA used in the Open Graphics dev kit is 4 times bigger than the kit from Xilinx. (96 multipliers vs 24, 17k logic element vs 62k, etc...)

Off the shelf dev kit vs Open Graphics board

April 14, 2008 - 9:53pm
John Morris (not verified)

> The FPGA used in the Open Graphics dev kit is 4 times bigger

I noted the dev kit as being less capable. Other important differences is the kit doesn't have dual DVI ports or a place to put a BIOS (I'm pretty sure that is what I saw on the schematics I looked at) rom.

On the other hand the dev kit is much more affordable, should be reliable and is available to ship now. Plus it is PCIe vs 64bit PCI which should make for more machines capable of hosting it. But the big point is that until somebody has a working design that won't fit in the smaller array the differences are managable since both are from the same family of products.

Remember that no final design is going to ship using a FPGA for both cost and performance reasons. The chip alone used in the Open Graphics board runs ~$113 in quantity 100 prices and probably wouldn't match the performance of off the shelf cards that cost less than that.

Lots of designs use FPGAs

April 14, 2008 - 10:06pm

Many final products ship with FPGAs. For instance, 3ware RAID cards are based on Xilinx FPGAs. I've also been involved in the design of various graphics-oriented products that use FPGAs.

too small !

April 15, 2008 - 8:16am
nicolas (not verified)

The main problem is that the project need more "gates". So nothing usefull for open graphics could be done using this small kit.

Need good stuff

April 15, 2008 - 4:24pm
Anonymous (not verified)

I need OGP card with PCI Express 2.0, GDDR4 or GDDR5 memory, much like minimum 256 mb, preferably 1024 megabyte or 2048 megabyte, 400+ MHz RAMDAC.

DDC 1.1, DDC/CI 1.1, E-DCC 1.1, EDID 2.0, OpenGL 2.1, VESA BIOS Extensions 3.0.

Can have DirectX 10.1 too?

Also GPGPU so it can do physics?

Sure, why not.

April 16, 2008 - 5:26pm

Good for you. So nice of you to show up with a wishlist. Now get coding. :-)

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